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I am curious about other faiths and beliefs. I only ask questions out of a genuine curiosity and have no desire to debate scripture or doctrine with anybody. I just like asking questions. I found the comments by many to be very enlightening as to the origins of many practices and beliefs of various denominations. As for myself, I do think that we will all be judged, but the basis for the judgement will be what kind of life we lead and how we treated others. That's what's going to count, not whether you followed dietary guidelines or whether you participated in any religious rituals. However, if your faith gives you guidance in that regard, I think a loving God would take positive note as to your efforts. | |||
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I'd suggest an easier to read translation rather than the KJV, but you won't go wrong reading the KJV for the most part. | |||
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Legalize the Constitution |
Huh, that’s not what I learned in Catholic school. It comes from the 40 days Jesus spent fasting in the Judean Desert following his baptism. The Books of Matthew and Luke, in particular, tell the story of 40 days fasting in the desert and the temptation of Christ. I was taught that Lent shares a direct connection to the fasting and prayer Jesus did in preparation for his cruxification and resurrection, just as practicing Christians are called to do during the 40 days of Lent. _______________________________________________________ despite them | |||
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| Tequila with lime |
TMats, While Christ did spend 40 days in the wilderness fasting we are not commanded to do the same. Recall that Christ's fast was from all food and water just as Moses's fast on the mountain was. Nowhere in scripture are we commanded to do any such thing. Furthermore, the abstention from meat on Friday is not even remotely equivalent to the fasts endured by both Christ and Moses, fasts they endured because they were fully sustained by the Father. The abstention from meat on Fridays is a strictly manmade thing. Others in this thread have already pointed out that Lent observance didn't begin until well after the deaths of Christ and His disciples. There are a lot of popular doctrines taught in churches that have no scriptural basis. A lot. I don't want to go into a rant here as this isn't the place for it. This is not an easy subject for a believer to accept because it requires being willing to thoroughly examine what you believe and then test it against scripture. You can also look through history and find information that shows the more suppressed aspects of theology. If you really want to know the truth you have to research it and actively question every doctrine you've been taught. If you don't want to know, there's no further point in discussing it because it just ends in nasty arguments and hostility. I covered the major search topics in my first post. If you really want the truth you have to research the Babylonian trinity and the other pagan religions downstream of it. You also have to look into early church history, particularly the actions of Constantine. That tells you some of the "how". As for what laws we should be living by and what days we should be keeping as holy, that is covered in the scriptures, particularly in the Torah. When reading the scriptures try to always keep the Interlinear bible handy. There is an excellent interface available at Biblehub.com. That sight has each word in an English translation alongside the Hebrew or Greek word and Strong's concordance number. All of this is in a clickable interface so you can quickly see the definition of each Hebrew or Greek word as well as find where that word is also used in the scriptures so you can see how consistently it is translated a particular way. I also tend to use the Septuagint in parallel with the Masoretic texts (I like the ESV translation) when studying the Torah/Tanakh. Thank you President Trump. | |||
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| A teetotaling beer aficionado  |
That's what I learned from 6 years in Catholic school thought by nuns. And I was an alter boy so there's that for extra cred. Men fight for liberty and win it with hard knocks. Their children, brought up easy, let it slip away again, poor fools. And their grandchildren are once more slaves. -D.H. Lawrence | |||
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| Legalize the Constitution |
I stated in my first post in this thread that there is Church doctrine not directly from the Bible, but I was quoting your post word-for-word. You said “Lent isn’t scripturally sound doctrine.” At that point, abstaining from meat on Friday was no longer the discussion. If you don’t believe there’s a scriptural basis for “Lent,” we’ll have to agree to disagree. BTW, NavyGuy, I was an altar boy too. “Book” was the most fun because you got to move around and do more things. “Paten” was least fun because you did very little. “Bells” was the other job I remember, maybe those descriptions weren’t universal among altar boys. _______________________________________________________ despite them | |||
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https://www.blueletterbible.org/ Is also a good resource. | |||
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| Raised Hands Surround Us Three Nails To Protect Us  |
I too highly enjoy cordial discussions with others about faith and while I am a practicing Catholic and do prescribe to some dietary guidelines and give up certain things during Lent. By no means do I think either or those things will have anything to do with my or anyone’s final judgement or destination. I do them simply as a choice, a way to show adoration and thanks for what Christ went through for all of us. In no way do I think anything I do will ever get me even close to being on Jesus’ level. It’s far more simple than anything man made religion given us. Jesus told us to have faith like a child for a reason. He knew good and well we’d screw up a great thing. To me it is very very simple. God sent us his Son Jesus to die on the Cross for our sins. He then rose from the dead, beating death for us all. All one needs to do to be saved is to truly believe that Jesus is our Savior. Anything beyond that does not really equate to scoring points or anything like that. It is just how I choose to say thank you and show others the joy I have found in Christ. So, I am curious where you draw your thoughts and beliefs on final judgment from?
Not sure anyone here has argued that we are Biblically Commanded to do these things. At least I am not, I CHOOSE to do these things as an outward expression of adoration. Taking ideas from Biblical passages to make my journey of faith somewhat similar to that of Jesus’ In no way will I ever even come close to what Jesus went through. Even those who have been Martyred and died for there faith in no way come close to having the weight of all the world’s sin on their shoulders as Jesus did. On Wednesday I’ll attend Ash Wednesday Mass and have the ashes placed on my forehead and while everything involved with Ash Wednesday and Lent is all based on biblical scripture it is not particularly commanded I do as such in the Bible. ———————————————— The world's not perfect, but it's not that bad. If we got each other, and that's all we have. I will be your brother, and I'll hold your hand. You should know I'll be there for you! | |||
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| Staring back from the abyss  |
This is a Protestant teaching. Catholic teaching is that faith alone is not necessarily salvitic. We are saved by God's grace through faith. Ain't no guarantees in this life...or death. Even Jesus Himself said, "Strive to enter through the narrow gate...". ________________________________________________________ "Great danger lies in the notion that we can reason with evil." Doug Patton. | |||
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So, I am curious where you draw your thoughts and beliefs on final judgment from? Well I understand the critical importance of faith. But logic does suggest to me that there has to be consequences for a life of sin. I'm not convinced that a child molester, murderer etc is going to be saved. It's just hard for me to believe that to be saved all it takes is for one to truly believe that Jesus is our savior. I think it takes more than that. But since we are all sinners, I have to believe and have faith that salvation is within reach of most of us who make an honest effort to follow the commandments. There is a passage somewhere that a mere impure thought is a sin. If that's the case, we are all doomed. But for those of us who have had a some impure thoughts. I do think there is hope for salvation. This is an interesting quiz you can take to see where your beliefs fit in the scheme of things. Matches your beliefs up with denominations. https://www.beliefnet.com/ente...es/beliefomatic.aspx | |||
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| Staring back from the abyss |
Me personally? The Catechism and the Bible. A good place to start for Catholic teaching on the subject. ________________________________________________________ "Great danger lies in the notion that we can reason with evil." Doug Patton. | |||
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| W07VH5 |
There are not enough choices in any of the questions. I couldn’t answer them. | |||
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| W07VH5 |
I would contend that the catechism is half-right in that I believe that “the will of the Father” is the Torah. | |||
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| Lawyers, Guns and Money  |
Yeah, but it's a great excuse/reason to get together with friends and fry fish. Shameless plug for my parish fish fry, the best in St. Louis:  "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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Yep. Ash Wednesday to Easter. No meat on Fridays. Supposed to be 2 meals for the entire day but I eat 6 meals a day as it is and just cut that in half. A lot of us are waiting for 00:00 every Friday night. What am I doing? I'm talking to an empty telephone | |||
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These are religious traditions. And no one is saying you'll go to hell if you eat meat on Friday. Not my local parish priest. Not even the pope. Certainly, Jesus didn't say it. BUT, there are traditions kept to maintain a cadence of life in thoughtful remembrance and honor to Jesus his sacrifice for us. And I'm darn sure that no one doing so has any inkling of some sun god Babylonian nonsense that may or may not have been a thing of similar action. Fish frys and perogies on Fridays make the world a better place where I am. Yinz' should check it out!   | |||
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| Savor the limelight |
And pasties in the Fall. If anyone chooses to Google that, add food to your search. | |||
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I pay particular attention to the words written in red. Jesus said, Matthew 15:11, ESV: "it is not what goes into the mouth that defiles a person, but what comes out of the mouth; this defiles a person.” "We're all travelers in this world. From the sweet grass to the packing house. Birth 'til death. We travel between the eternities." | |||
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| W07VH5 |
That is taken out of context as it is concerning ritual handwashing, not food.
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| W07VH5 |
HAHAH! | |||
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