I will always be a Catholic. My wife and I aren't practicing Catholics right now. It's a personal matter.

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Originally posted by BurtonRW:

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Originally posted by CoolRich59:

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Originally posted by BurtonRW:
I was born and raised protestant in a non-denominational, bible-believing church. Mrs.BurtonRW was raised Catholic, however.

Speaking generally, I can tell you that she left many years ago (while we were dating, but not because of me) due to her increasing awareness of doctrines that we (protestants) find simply have no basis in scripture.

The list involves things like Mary, intercessory prayer (to or by the dead), infant baptism, necessity of confession to priests, infallibility of the Pope, etc.

Originally posted by DrDan:

If you just want to bash religion or the Catholic Church, please take it to your own thread.

Pretty sure I didn't do that.



Sorry if I said something that offended you or sounded argumentative.

-Rob

CoolRich59

We all choose what offends us, but I am trying to understand what is it that Burton said that was so offensive and "too much detail" that he needed to be called out?

Seemed like he was giving Dr. Dan his rational reasons why his wife bailed on Catholicism; which was the purpose of this thread?

My wife and I both left the Catholic Church for a multitude of reasons . I won't insult the Catholic faithful here by going into details but suffice it to say that I only darken the doorway of a Catholic Church for weddings and funerals . And very few of those .

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Originally posted by Ronin1069:

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Originally posted by BurtonRW:

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Originally posted by CoolRich59:

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Originally posted by BurtonRW:
I was born and raised protestant in a non-denominational, bible-believing church. Mrs.BurtonRW was raised Catholic, however.

Speaking generally, I can tell you that she left many years ago (while we were dating, but not because of me) due to her increasing awareness of doctrines that we (protestants) find simply have no basis in scripture.

The list involves things like Mary, intercessory prayer (to or by the dead), infant baptism, necessity of confession to priests, infallibility of the Pope, etc.

Originally posted by DrDan:

If you just want to bash religion or the Catholic Church, please take it to your own thread.

Pretty sure I didn't do that.



Sorry if I said something that offended you or sounded argumentative.

-Rob

CoolRich59

We all choose what offends us, but I am trying to understand what is it that Burton said that was so offensive and "too much detail" that he needed to be called out?

Seemed like he was giving Dr. Dan his rational reasons why his wife bailed on Catholicism; which was the purpose of this thread?

+1 million. It is ridiculous to call it "bashing", when the man gave you reasons.
Question: "Why are you leaving the Catholic Church?"
If you cannot stand a reasoned explanation and call just it "bashing", then maybe you shouldn't ask the question in the first place.

12321,

I had to go back to check to be sure, but it was not the OP who made a big deal about the post, it was another member (CoolRich59 who quoted the OP, Dr. Dan.

which is even more confusing to me. How do you call out someone for posting an offense answer, to a question that was not even yours to ask? It would seem Dr. Dan would reserve the right for any post like that.

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Originally posted by Ronin1069:
12321,

I had to go back to check to be sure, but it was not the OP who made a big deal about the post, it was another member who quoted the OP, Dr. Dan.

I know. I'm actually addressing CoolRich59, also, not the OP, although it sounds like I do.

OP:

You are the first person after one of my sisters I've ever known who went from Protestant--->Catholic

My sister married a Catholic and decided to convert, usually it seems to go Catholic--->Protestant

Come you guys, I can't follow who's bashing whom here. Now, back to work.

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Originally posted by Ronin1069:

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Originally posted by BurtonRW:

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Originally posted by CoolRich59:

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Originally posted by BurtonRW:
I was born and raised protestant in a non-denominational, bible-believing church. Mrs.BurtonRW was raised Catholic, however.

Speaking generally, I can tell you that she left many years ago (while we were dating, but not because of me) due to her increasing awareness of doctrines that we (protestants) find simply have no basis in scripture.

The list involves things like Mary, intercessory prayer (to or by the dead), infant baptism, necessity of confession to priests, infallibility of the Pope, etc.

Originally posted by DrDan:

If you just want to bash religion or the Catholic Church, please take it to your own thread.

Pretty sure I didn't do that.



Sorry if I said something that offended you or sounded argumentative.

-Rob

CoolRich59

We all choose what offends us, but I am trying to understand what is it that Burton said that was so offensive and "too much detail" that he needed to be called out?

Seemed like he was giving Dr. Dan his rational reasons why his wife bailed on Catholicism; which was the purpose of this thread?

Thanks Ronin.

I appreciate your point. And, I also have a lot of respect for BurtonRW.

I didn't think he was being intentionally provocative, and was hesitant to say something, but I thought this: "The list involves things like Mary, intercessory prayer (to or by the dead), infant baptism, necessity of confession to priests, infallibility of the Pope, etc." was unnecessary as, IMO, it veered into argumentation.

^^^
We could get into all of these doctrinal differences....

7 Key Differences Between Protestant and Catholic Doctrine
https://voice.dts.edu/article/...e-del-rosario-mikel/

But... I do think you over look BurtonRW's conclusion:

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At the end of the day, regardless of any other beliefs or doctrinal disputes, we believe that there is only one question that matters - do you believe that Jesus is the Son of God, died for your sins, defeated death by rising again, and have you accepted that sacrifice as your salvation?

I think there are different paths to the salvation we all seek so I don't see any use in being too critical of someone else for the path they choose to follow.

I went to a Catholic grade school and was sort of raised Catholic. I participated to the extent it was compulsory, mostly because of school. I went through the sacraments, and because my wife and most of our families wanted us to be married in a church, I went along with having a Catholic wedding, too. The priest was very nice and performed a lovely wedding for us.

But, I can't say I believe in the Catholic religion, or any religion for that matter, nor do I practice. I can recall being very young and thinking "this doesn't make sense." Can't say that's ever changed.

So, if I was ever a part of the Catholic Church, it was because I had to be, and I left because I don't believe. I'm not sure if that's the discussion the OP was looking for, but, there it is.

Also, I have nothing against anyone who practices their religion of choice (but for the usual qualifications of their faith not requiring harming others, etc.). To be honest, it's just not something that I think about or that registers with me, usually.

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Originally posted by CoolRich59:
But, I tend to take the long view and keep in mind Cardinal Consalvi's response after Napoleon threatened to destroy the Church. “Your majesty, we, the Catholic clergy, have done our best to destroy the church for the last 1,800 years. We have not succeeded, and neither will you.”

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You can be sure I will keep you in my prayers.

Thanks, it is greatly appreciated!

To the other posters, all your comments are appreciated. BurtonRW, I was not offended by your comments, I was fully prepared for such.

ShneaSIG: simply not believing is the most honest and best reason of all to leave, isn't it?


To those that have gone elsewhere, I hope you have found what you are looking for.

Best to all.

I wouldn't leave the Catholic Church (again) for anything. It IS the Church started by Christ. It IS the fullness of the Christian faith.

For those that plan on leaving, or those that have left, how could you turn your back on the Sacraments? Especially the most Blessed Sacrament, the Eucharist. As a Catholic you believe in that The Eucharist is the REAL Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity of Christ..... as he said (more than once) that it was. By walking away, you are saying that you don't want that. So, you were never truly Catholic, or you are turning your back on Christ. Let that sink in.....


*I'm not trying to start to start a debate on transubstantiation, just making an appeal to those who have left the Church.

Cous2492,
You might want to moderate your condemnation here! Many are unable. Me for example. I married a divorcee who was not a Catholic and the Church "elders" made things impossible to have the marriage recognized. So part of the "penalty" is that the Eucharist is not officially available to me.
Again your self-righteousness is more than a bit offensive.

I'm sorry that you took offense, but I stand by my comment.

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Originally posted by Cous2492:
I'm sorry that you took offense, but I stand by my comment.

You missed his point, I think, but look for a transsubstantiation debate thread in the morning once I've had my coffee.

Could be educational.

-Rob

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Originally posted by Cous2492:
I'm sorry that you took offense, but I stand by my comment.

Originally posted by DrDan:

If you just want to bash religion or the Catholic Church, please take it to your own thread.

At the risk of really wearing out my welcome, I also think you are out of line.

I jumped in and chided BurtonRW because I thought his post was a bit argumentative against the Church. I think, as a matter of courtesy, that DrDan's request goes both ways: This is not the thread to argue in favor of the Church either.

Your post is not "a bit argumentative", it is offensive.

St. Francis said it best: "Preach the gospel at all times; and, if necessary, use words."

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Originally posted by Cous2492:
So, you were never truly Catholic, or you are turning your back on Christ. Let that sink in.....

*I'm not trying to start to start a debate on transubstantiation, just making an appeal to those who have left the Church.

So you think this is the place for a 'no true scotsman' argument? Anyone who gives up catholicism was never a catholic so no catholic has ever left?

and as for 'just making an appeal' you're doing it wrong.

This thread has been of real interest; both thought and feelings are rolling around here. It probably isn't appropriate or welcome to jump in with an accusatory tone.

Apparently, some truths are too hard core for some people. My intent isn't to offend any individuals. I guess I am a bit too much like Michael Voris (look up Church Militant on YouTube).
It may be hard to believe who jumped on my post as being hurtful, but my comments were made in Love for my brother Christians. Some of those harsh truths were presented to me and they got my attention.

Here is how I will make peace with those who I offended or anyone else who wants to learn more about the Catholic faith:

I have several copies of Trent Horn's new book, "Why We're Catholic." The first five people who email me at Cousino2492@gmail.com with their information will receive a copy on me. My method of discussion is too harsh for some, but Horn is a master of apologetics.

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Originally posted by BurtonRW:

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Originally posted by Cous2492:
I'm sorry that you took offense, but I stand by my comment.

You missed his point, I think, but look for a transsubstantiation debate thread in the morning once I've had my coffee.

Could be educational.

-Rob

Aaaand... nevermind.

Cous2492, Simon (the zealot) is one of my favorite apostles, but you sir, are no Simon. Your asshattery in this thread has exposed you for a mere Pharisee, so I'll be hanging on to my pearls, as it were.

-Rob