Most of you don't know about any of this, even if you know who is Steven Crowder. I've heard bits and pieces of it for a while, via Ben Shapiro and Mark Dice but I couldn't really follow what was going on, mainly because I don't care about infighting among youtube personalities, but in this Mark Dice video, there is an excerpt of a Ring doorbell video of how Crowder treats his pregnant wife and I have to say I am shocked.

I'm not a physician, so I may be completely wrong about this, but it seems if a pregnant woman is under stress, her baby, too, is under stress.

A good summary of what happens in the video is contained in a comment on the video. Crowder didn't want his wife to take the car, but:

"It's wild to me that Chouder wouldn't let his wife leave (more like escape) unless she did exactly what he asked in the ORDER he asked her to do it. Notice he wanted to do 4 things:
1. Give dog medicine
2. Walk the dog
3. Go get his groceries: grill, steak, and wood chips
4. Then come immediately back home

He refused to let her leave with the car to get the groceries because she didn't want to handle medication that had warnings that pregnant women should avoid it. What father would risk their unborn children because they can't get their lazy ass up and get the dog medication. I feel sorry for those children but on the other hand the mom's going to be great because she's been living with a man-baby for nearly a decade."

In the clip, she tells him that his abuse is sick. Listen to his reaction.

The man's life is falling apart and no one is a saint. I'm taking into account here that we all at times wound those we love and say and do things we wouldn't want known, but even with that, this is no way to treat your wife, and certainly not your pregnant wife.

The rest of it- all the infighting and drama, I couldn't care less about, but based upon what I saw in this video, ol' Steve needs to think long and hard about who he is and what he has become, or perhaps what he has always been. I doubt I'll ever again lsiten to any of his commentary, old or new.

Yeah, count me in the same boat of not caring about this kind of stuff. It makes it hard to watch other people try to explain the situation while dancing around other peoples' possibly sensitive feelings.

But I saw that video and it seems clear to me that this cat was very paranoid and more than just a bit crazy. He's also definitely mentally abusive to his wife.

I watched the video. It's clear to me that Mr. Crowder is selfish.

ETA: I couldn't post as much as I wanted to earlier because I was in church and Mrs DF gave me the look when she saw me on SIGforum so I abbreviated my thoughts. lol.

The point was selfishness. Most of my life I have been selfish. There has been an agonizing amount of destruction left in my wake. I sometimes lose sleep when I revisit things I've said and done to others. I include the patient and long suffering Mrs DF in 'others'.

I know now that it is natural for children to be selfish. They must be taught otherwise for the most part. I was not. The natural man is selfish. A refined character is less so. My character is evolving. I only regret not understanding the value of selflessness until later in life.

Mr. Crowder demonstrates in the Ring clip a selfish character. You see the damage that has caused to his marriage and professionally. He is likely a fine individual in many aspects but under stress or urgency, our lesser selves emerge. So it was with me. So it is with me.

I can't describe what it means to evolve into selflessness other than to say it is a conscious choice and it's difficult as it runs counter to pride. I have concluded as a Christian that the more selfless our character, the more Christ-like we become (if that is important to you).

After all of these years and through Mrs DF's patient grace, I have begun to repair the damage to our marital relationship. We are closer now than even when we were young and beautiful. And that is worth living for. I hope one day Steven can see it too.

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I started to wonder when I saw him having a debate at his table w/ someone on a campus and he lost his cool, making a remark or two as the other person walked away from the table.
It seems he's gotten very high strung.

I couldn’t believe the way he was even talking to her. It was so indifferent and uncaring, and that wasn’t even touching on the content.

The man’s life may be falling apart, but if that’s a true video of a candid conversation between himself and, who should be, his prized possession, under his sacred charge, then the disintegration is his own doing.

Add to that, I always thought Jarod Monroe (not gay Jarod) was hilarious, but no matter how much you support Crowder’s wife, you don’t go on a social media platform a tweet “I support you and I’m here for you”. Assholes these days think that supporting someone in a hurtful situation means going to a public square/forum and shouting that you support them. It’s gross and self-serving.

Good lord I hate what the internet has done to a majority of society.

An idol with feet of clay.

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Good lord I hate what the internet has done to a majority of society.

I think that's why I have zero presence on any social media. I'd bet most of the members here don't either.

Major fallout here for Rumble.

Crowder's subscription "Mug Club" has become a haven for unwoke comics like Nick DiPaolo, in their own space at MC. After floundering for years as demonetized and marginalized YouTubers, these guys had found a home and, seemingly, a future.

Some may have recently noticed Rumble running national tv ads where they challenge YouTube head on. I took great heart in that. As such, Crowder/Mug Club were bringing a bunch of eyes to Rumble and these sad revelations hurt far more than manic Crowder.

Not Tucker Carlson level bad but very bad indeed.

I saw the video a few days ago. It was hard to sit through.

A couple years ago, someone posted a thread about him and there was speculation of substance abuse, because his behavior was becoming questionable and in the midst of it, he took some time off "for health reasons." I forget what he said was the reason afterward, but I think the timing is right for all this being right in there also. I think the guy may have some mental health issues, and at this point, whether he works on them or not, he needs to just go out of the spotlight. Maybe forever. Take a job working a forklift in warehouse in Alaska. On the night shift. Listen to books on tape and take up knitting instead of ever appearing in front of a camera again. It seems like it hasn't been about helping the cause of conservativism for a long time now, it's been about serving his warped ego, and as such, he should go do that divorced from the movement. Just go be an arrogant ass about Pokemon or collector spoons or something completely innocuous, but what he does, he needs to stop talking about politics because in other corners of the internet, the conversation is very different. It looks like "this is how conservatives actually treat women when nobody is looking."

We should be hesitant to condemn a man and make judgments about the entirety of his ten plus year marriage and relationship to his now ex-wife over a three minute video in which no one has any idea what precipitated this argument or came after it. Remember the Covington kids and Nick Sandman? Even conservatives were quick to condemn these kids after what seemed like a crystal clear video of events.

In the case of Crowder, it could also be assumed from that short clip that he was making a point that he works hard, never has free time for himself, and when he comes home is it so hard to expect that certain things around the house to be done like giving the dog his medicine, going grocery shopping, etc. Again, we don't know the whole story. Many things could've lead up to this point (which obviously soon came to a head as they started getting divorced I would assume very soon after) and what was seen in that clip.

Furthermore, it's obvious that she likely downloaded and saved this clip immediately after it happened with the intent on using it later against him as they began divorce proceedings that same year in 2021. That was also the year that Crowder had major open heart surgery. The stress factor for everyone was likely very high.

I don't know if this three minute clip is indicative of how Crowder always treats his wife, but I do know that if everyone's marriage were judged by his worst three minute moment between him and his wife which was then blasted out for the whole world to see, not many would come out looking so cherry.

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A couple years ago, someone posted a thread about him and there was speculation of substance abuse, because his behavior was becoming questionable and in the midst of it, he took some time off "for health reasons." I forget what he said was the reason afterward, but I think the timing is right for all this being right in there also.

He had major open heart surgery in 2021. In fact he almost died.

I saw the clip last week when Candace Owens released it on behalf of Crowder's wife, after I first decided not to view it. And yes, not an easy thing to watch. But at the same time, I now regret it; it was a very private moment between husband and wife, in their private backyard, and now millions have seen it while the two are going through divorce proceedings. My take on all of this is not only Crowder is going through a nasty divorce from his wife, but a major feud with Dailywire and Candace Owens, with her delivering a knockout punch releasing the Ring video. IMO, that video should have stayed in a courtroom, not in cyberspace.

He came across as a controlling abusive husband with a complete lack of empathy to be honest.

Often times a big ego really means big insecurity and this sure seems that way.


I could be wrong but I thought his heart surgery went smoothly and his elective surgery to fix his slightly sunken chest almost killed him. I could have it backwards though.

I hate Ring cameras. They have a purpose and this isn’t it. Clearly a woman going through a divorce, or soon to be, saved a clip that she knew it looked very damning to her soon to be ex.

At best it’s a one sided portion of a larger argument. At worst she might have baited him into saying nasty things. Or somewhere in between. Or he’s a controlling asshole. Or she’s a manipulative bitch. No way to tell.

This shouldn’t be public. Imagine the meanest things you have said in the lowest points of your life. Then imagine everyone watched the video of it.

I know nothing of this guy other than I have enjoyed his product at times. This video seems to have been purposely released to destroy this guy. Maybe he deserves it but I don’t think so. It’s would be way too easy for the wife to “stage” an argument knowing full well it’s being filmed. Hell, she might have been hoping for more fireworks.

I don’t own a ring camera so I assume you have to save the footage or it goes away. If so, someone purposely saved this.

Bad on Candace for using this as a hit piece. Nail him on his business practices or something pertinent to their disagreement. Airing an argument with his ex wife is a hatchet job.

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I saw the clip last week when Candace Owens released it on behalf of Crowder's wife, after I first decided not to view it. And yes, not an easy thing to watch. But at the same time, I now regret it;

So did I. Regret it that is. I reluctantly watched half of it and then couldn't stomach watching any more. Not because of the content but because it's gross that we should even be able to see it at all. Peeking into people's private lives always felt sinful to me.

My wife and I used to have a camera in our home that her or I could watch when she was away or I was on the ship. I couldn't even watch my wife while she was alone at home going about her daily chores. It felt like a violation. I eventually removed it.

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We should be hesitant to condemn a man and make judgments about the entirety of his ten plus year marriage and relationship to his now ex-wife over a three minute video in which no one has any idea what precipitated this argument or came after it.

You are right of course. I can’t speak for anybody else, but it isn’t my place to judge him or anyone else, other than myself. Period.
That said, I have once or twice felt put upon because, “I work so hard, I have little free time, etc.” Sometimes it takes a minute or two to pause, reset, and realize that *I* chose my work, that *I* choose how hard I work, and if I am not making free time for me then that is *on me*. We had a dog that was on medicine not to be handled by women capable of carrying a child. It wasn’t a question, that was my task. Yeah, gloves might have worked, but I couldn’t begin to imagine taking a chance. I’m miles away from being a perfect husband, but I would be absolutely mortified to have memory of having acted like that much less video, regardless of any context. That’s just me. I haven’t walked in his shoes and it isn’t my place to judge him.

Crowder had/has a beef with Daily Wire, Candace Owens, Dave Landau and now his Wife. The only thing in common with all of those beefs is Crowder himself.

I listened to Dave Landau talking about Crowder bullying him as well on Michael Malice show last week. I couldn't believe it. Wondered why he wasn't on the show for a while, I always thought they made a good team. I did sense most of the time that the spotlight needed to be on Stevey Poo somehow and he needed to be the star of the show. Landau outclassed him comedically on a regular basis I thought. Had a 6th sense type thing telling me Crowder didn't like that. Which I don't understand because it added serious value to the show, vs takes anything away from it. Unless it's all about me me me of course.

Dave said his words at one point were, "I own you."

Takes a certain type to utter those words to another person.

It feels dirty this clip is out there and his wife is showing this to the world. I despise that shit. But with what Landau was saying too, it seems to be his true character. That video shows some super petty, controlling, and abusive behavior. Not normal fight stuff.

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We should be hesitant to condemn a man and make judgments yadda yadda yaddda

I have never, ever spoken to my wife that way. not in nearly twenty-five years of marriage, nor in the one year we dated, nor in the three and a half years we lived together before marriage.

Are you married? Have you ever spoken to your wife like she's your indentured servant and someone unworthy of respect? It's not a rhetorical question; I am asking you directly.

Please don't tell us what we already know, and please do not discount what we see and hear in that clip. There is no excuse for it.

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
I reluctantly watched half of it and then couldn't stomach watching any more. Not because of the content but because it's gross that we should even be able to see it at all. Peeking into people's private lives always felt sinful to me.

Aren't you special?

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I have never, ever spoken to my wife that way. not in nearly twenty-five years of marriage and in the one year we dated and in the three and a half years we lived together before marriage.

Are you married? Have you ever spoken to your wife like she's your indentured servant and someone unworthy of respect? It's not a rhetorical question; I am asking you directly.

Yes, I am married. Ten years with three children. And no, I have never spoken to my wife that way and could never imagine doing so. She would never tolerate it for a second in any case, but we both trust and respect each other immensely. It feels as if the trust and respect on the part of Crowder and also his wife has not been a part of their marriage for a long time.

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Please don't tell us what we already know, and please do not discount what we see and hear in that clip. There is no excuse for it.

I don't mean to sound as if I'm making excuses because no, there is no excuse for it.

Divorces are ugly though, and people in these instances do ugly things.

He can go back to Canada. I was appalled when I watched that video on Mark Dice's YouTube channel this past week. Crowder's former employees are all coming out of the woodwork and expressing support for the ex, and confirming the video content and accusations.