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To be sure, it's disappointing to know of this aspect of Crowder. Here's my 'but': I'm not turning my back on him, for the same reason I don't turn my back on Trump for his personal flaws. The left will seize upon anything they can to silence leading conservative voices who call them and RINOs out, and that's exactly the message Crowder gets out. Year V | |||
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You don't think everyone deserves a defense? | |||
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Peace through superior firepower |
In that case, you give everyone a pass on everything, because all people are "flawed". Ridiculous. "Oh, he's our guy, so I'll just ignore what I see in that video." Infidelity is one thing. Outright mental abuse of your spouse, pregnant with your child, is something altogether different. Veiled threats and open threats, too. Come on. Do you know who does this? Do you know who forgives anything, no matter what, because some person or other is on the same side? Take a guess. Show me a clip of Donald Trump behaving towards his wife- pregnant or not- the way Crowder is behaving. I'll wait here. Tell me you actually believe that that is what Dave is saying. Now, are we just going to get silly here? | |||
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Forgives everything? Year V | |||
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I wouldn't defend this guy because he is on our "side". I am not even defending him. I am pointing out that divorces are ugly (I have never been divorced, married a couple decades though) and people can say the nastiest things when they are upset. As for being pregnant, I can get on my high horse and say I would never get angry with a pregnant woman but I have 4 kids and I can most definitely say I have argued with a pregnant woman and she back. This is a selected snapshot that means everything or it means nothing. Based on 3 minutes of viewing I can't stand before God and proclaim I am positive of which. I have known people who absolutely would set up their spouse to produce an argument on tape that they planned on using in a divorce. It isn't even far fetched in todays crazy world. She seems to be getting the benefit of the doubt here for a couple reasons. She is pregnant, she is calm, he has a bad history in his work environment. Being pregnant or not is irrelevant to me. Married couples argue, pregnant or not. People with terminal illness argue too. Maybe they shouldn't but stuff like that doesn't stop the human condition. As for threats. He sounded like it was a threat. I will also state that if he ever actually was physical with her I suspect there should be video. In fact I think that would be the video she would have led with. I am in the camp of, that was the worst video that she could produce. It was ugly, as many marital arguments can be. I won't bore anyone with cries of how I have or haven't spoken to my wife or she to me. I will state I would be mortified if our private arguments made their way onto the public stage. Does everyone deserve a defense? Well, yea if you believe in the Constitution. I know we aren't talking about legal matters but this video will end up in family court I suspect so maybe it is. He deserves to defend or explain his actions. I suspect if there is enough tape saved to the server that he could show his ex wife in a horrible light as well. People can suck. Men and women. 3 minute clip of an argument in private where he was probably pissed about something doesn't paint the whole picture necessarily. | |||
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Peace through superior firepower |
Do you require clarification? I can type more slowly. | |||
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This guy is treating his pregnant wife like shit and in turn adding stress to her AND his unborn child. There is no excuse. You fucking man up until your baby is born and she is back in good health. ALL else comes second. JC | |||
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Babies plural. She was pregnant with twins. She was carrying not just one, but two of his kids at the time. ______________________________________________ “There are plenty of good reasons for fighting, but no good reason ever to hate without reservation, to imagine that God Almighty Himself hates with you, too.” | |||
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I am divorced 3X. There were some unpleasant moments and thats to be expected. But my soon to be Exs all had their own car, money and credit cards. Crowders behavior (and only one car) is abuse. End of Earth: 2 Miles Upper Peninsula: 4 Miles | |||
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Get Off My Lawn |
It is true. When I saw it last week, I noticed two distinct cuts- the first one near the start of the clip, 41 seconds has been cut out, based on the time stamp in the lower right hand corner. Later in the video, there is a second cut, 8 seconds missing. The video everyone is seeing is approx. 3 min 30 sec. "I’m not going to read Time Magazine, I’m not going to read Newsweek, I’m not going to read any of these magazines; I mean, because they have too much to lose by printing the truth"- Bob Dylan, 1965 | |||
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I got arrested in a foreign country for a mistake and my wife dropped everything and has been down here with me for two months. Keeping me sane. Showing support for a life partner. Exactly how you are supposed to treat a spouse, imo. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ | |||
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Of course it is edited. There are clearly jumps that show that. Could be edited for time and nothing of substance was edited out, don't know. As for arguing with a pregnant lady. I think some of you guys are taking a bit of a moral high road. I don't know about your wive's but mine was pregnant for 9 months each. I straight up think you guys are creatively editing your lives if you honestly want us to believe you saved your arguments until after each kid was born. No stress right? Pregnancy was stressful period. Arguments happened. To pretend otherwise is nonsense unless I am just a random fuckup. lol. Reality is that having a baby is one of the top stressors in anyones life and arguments are bound to happen. Saying this one was over the top is one thing, saying don't stress mom with an argument is a bit pie in the sky posturing. As for the car issue we all seem to agree it is odd that she doesn't have a car. Everything after that is a guess. Does she have a car, did she wreck it, is it in the shop? We have no idea. On this thread though we have people suggesting that he WON'T let her have a car, it is another way to control her. Holy shit that is a wild ass guess that none of us can throw out based on a 3 minute video with any degree of certainty. I just think a lot of full blown declarations of fact are being made off a video that we know has been edited and leaked for a purpose. The only thing I can say confidently is that he seems like a dick and he is wildly unhappy in his marriage. He could care less how he sounds or what he says to her. That video shows one or perhaps two people who couldn't give a shit about salvaging a marriage and look forward to it being over. Dave, you are in a good marriage. These two aren't. I suspect they have been on a path to divorce for quite awhile. Once again, we have seen 3:30 of their life. We know nothing other than he was a dick for those 3 minutes. | |||
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Edited or not, who talks to his wife like that? Steven gets down twinkles from me. You’re a lying dog-faced pony soldier | |||
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I have 2 kids and an ex-wife. I honestly don't remember what I'd said to my wife at the time when she was pregnant with the kids but a pregnant woman can really be angry with everything else around her. We had arguments during her pregnancies. We didn't wait it out until the pregnancies were over to sling some shit around. It was never ever physical and nobody was ever prevented from leaving the house to cool off but I am sure plenty of shit talks got flung back and forth between us, about us, about our extended families, etc. I didn't see him physically preventing her from leaving. Of course in social media he's getting killed. Everyone is holier than thou on social media. | |||
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Peace through superior firepower |
Yeah, that's what this is about- sanctimony. It's not about the way he's behaving, not about the OCD weirdness or the threats. He looks like a perfectly normal guy in that video. Yep, perfectly normal. Everyone treats their pregnant wife that way. As a matter of fact, it would be out of range only if he didn't behave the way we see in that video. Yep | |||
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So, your point is what? That you had arguments with your wife during her pregnancies, so what Crowder did was acceptable? If not, I would like to hear what you're trying to say.
He's getting killed by many on here, too. So, all who are "killing" him on here are holier than thou, I guess. Q | |||
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Dave7378, your story of your wife sticking by you reminds me of (a George Jones song). “I put the ring on the right left hand” My wife would be the same. Just a plain old WV gal. | |||
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Yes, I call her my second wife first, but not to her face . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ | |||
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Yeah, that M14 video guy... |
For impartiality's sake, In my past marriage experience, I have maintained the sanctimony for years whilst she let loose with her tongue and caused lifelong damage to myself, and our family and extended family because she's a woman, you know, and has emotions. All the while, we paid for it. After a while I finally lost my shit. Never hit anyone but I stopped caring about what came out of my mouth from that point on. I won't ever be a punching bag to anyone ever again. Men can just stop caring after years of being the bigger person in the room and the other person continually lashes out and expects forgiveness because of the ring on her finger or the kids down the hall. Husbands are supposed to be the leaders of the house. What good is that when the wife continually disobeys, disrespects and undermines you at every turn. In his case, this could be a cherry picked reaction where she has said or acted horribly and his tone is that he doesn't care about her feelings anymore. Or, he could genuinely be a dick and abusive. I'm completely open to that possibility. But on the other side of the coin, I don't see many people rushing to defend Crowder. In my case, when it was time for my divorce, I had all the support and she had next to nobody in her corner. In the Depp/Turd case, it was clear Amber had no credible allies. Johnny, on the other hand, had plenty. As to Jonathan Majors, nobody seems to be coming to his defense and more people are coming out about his abusive tendencies. More info will come out about MR and MRS Crowder that will seal my opinion. Tony. Owner, TonyBen, LLC, Type-07 FFL www.tonybenm14.com (Site under construction). e-mail: tonyben@tonybenm14.com | |||
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Why don’t you fix your little problem and light this candle |
arguments are one thing, abusive controlling crap. not ok. Fame has caused more than one person to go nuts. He needs help before he hurts someone. This business will get out of control. It will get out of control and we'll be lucky to live through it. -Rear Admiral (Lower Half) Joshua Painter Played by Senator Fred Thompson | |||
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