MikeinNC:
I used to carry a Texan in a leg pocket. Best tool for rowdy drunks ever. My PD eventually outlawed it. Too bad, it worked!

Another one, another attempt at biting an officer. On this week’s episode, it’s not Walmart but young entitled Karen in Florida. Bonus points if you count the “likes” used by this thing. https://youtu.be/hWbkryYTRV8?si=HOCPL7ohVb8zYYNs

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Originally posted by YooperSigs:
MikeinNC:
I used to carry a Texan in a leg pocket. Best tool for rowdy drunks ever. My PD eventually outlawed it. Too bad, it worked!

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
How did he fit in there? Seriously, what is a Texan?

Its a sap (blackjack) with a 10 inch handle.
Boston Leather model 5419.

I come from the sap- and blackjack era, but times have changed. Whether that is good or bad is perspective dependent.

Striking a handcuffed prisoner, particularly after successfully avoiding the assault, i.e. the bite, can be incredibly difficult to justify. It is more like to be perceived as punitive versus an attempt to control.

Intentionally or not, the officer targeted a nerve bundle generically referred to as the brachial plexus tie-in or origin. It is an incredibly effective means of dropping someone, as seen in the video, but can result in complications so it is typically reserved for instances when a higher level of force is articulable and justifiable.

The state I work and train in recently changed the laws regarding handcuffing pregnant women. Normally it has to be done with the cuffs in front, which is pointless and dangerous, but there are exceptions which would apply in this instance where the arrestee is actively resisting.

Officers ALWAYS need to verbalize, if for no other reason than it looks good on video. Secondly it forces the officer to breathe, which a lot of us don't do effectively in a fight. I can't count the number of time s I've told someone to "stop resisting or your hurt yourself," putting the onus on the suspect.

As satisfying as it might seem to tune someone up, these days it doesn't fly as well as it used to. I feel for the cop, but bottom line is that you have to control yourself before you can control someone else. Your entire career can get flushed down the toilet just based on a split-second rush of emotions and frustration.

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‘‘Twas Throat Punch Thursday.

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Originally posted by MikeinNC:

We need to return to the old ways, where people acted right for A. They were decent people or B. They were afraid of an ass kicking from the cops.

100%

I remember way back when, as a teen driving around with some buddies. We thought we were all pretty bad. We got pulled over for something and gave the cop some attitude. Then he grabbed one of my friends, turned him around, and bounced his head off the hood of the car.

That was a teachable moment. I won't say we never got in trouble again, but I will say none of us ever mouthed off to a police officer again.

If those ass whoopings would’ve happened at home with two parents, the cops wouldn’t have to do it.

Are rear naked chokes not legal? No permanent damage since it’s a blood choke. Loss of consciousness but they’ll wake up.

After about 10 seconds of watching that shit, I’m asking myself, if I’m there what would I do?
I would have moved in closer to the frackus and
I think I would have asked the first officer if he wanted help, and then leg swept that fat bitch and watched her bounce on the floor.
Fuck it, I’m a senior citizen, I would’ve said I felt threatened be willing to tell a judge that.

Can’t tell you how sick this shit makes me how these officers are fucked with.
Animals that aren’t trained only know one thing.
And a throat punch that even the alleged baby felt is a good start.

That whole event needed lots more OC, Taser and lead.......................

Savages gonna savage. They have their own rules they live by those rules don’t mesh with society.

Can’t help but think there wouldn’t have been quite so much antics had the PO had a K9 partner.

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Originally posted by YooperSigs:
Its a sap (blackjack) with a 10 inch handle.
Boston Leather model 5419.

Those got peoples attention, and consent.

With the apparent banning of nightsticks, batons, and other striking tools, every incidence of resisting arrest I see in similar videos turns into a grappling and wrestling match. And it often takes multiple officers to subdue, cuff, and get the perp into a police car. I do not think it's reasonable to expect every officer to be a skilled wrestler.

What is the general allowability of using OC or a Taser in this situation as others have said?

And is there an amount of time you are supposed to argue with a non-compliant perp? With the girl in the car, and many other videos how many "why are you detaining me, what did I do wrong, etc." do you have to answer before using force?

Hayzeus Christmas!! JSMH...

Lefty:

OC and strikes policies used to be very liberal, but once there were cameras everywhere those policies got choked down pretty quickly.

Tasers were the same way, in 2000 we got them and used them for everything, mouth back and ball your fist-Taser Time! Then someone used one on a disabled person that you could have just picked the guy up and moved him away and Taser Time was restricted severely. I think it was in SC but it went up to the Courts and affected policy everywhere.


What people can’t seem to get thru their heads is that anytime you whack someone it looks bad. Doesn’t matter if it’s a wooden baton, PR24, or ASP expandable baton. Strikes with hands or fists look bad. You can’t use the rear naked choke-even though it’s not a choke-because it looks bad. Officers are restricted to using the holds and strikes taught in their states use of force curriculum. And there is zero allowance for using anything you may know or learn in ju-jitsu classes etc.

WRT your last question, we were told to inform the people that they were subject to arrest to maybe get em to leave. Then we might threaten OC, then physically move them. When they started asking why are you arresting them we were required by policy to tell them the reason. But it’s not a back and forth. I tell you and cuffs go on-I can explain it to you but I can’t make you understand.

^^^ Thanks. These videos often have 15 minutes of the perp refusing to answer or obey the officers orders and back and forth asking the same questions over and over with the same answers from the officers and then the amateur lawyering...

I would think in the interest of not wasting multiple officers' time and attending to other calls that it's reasonable to like 3 verbal commands before OC or force is used. All this talk of "de-escalation" and I mostly see officers being calm and professional and the perp escalating everything - from simple ticketable offense to felony assaulting officers.

If the person is drunk or high or incoherent then reason usually won't work. But for the others it seems to me that they act this way because they know they can get away with it and get let out of jail with minimal charges or plea down to minor offenses.

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Originally posted by oddball:

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Originally posted by OcCurt:
There was a time, not so long ago, there would have been a dozen officers there and, every single loudmouth, interfering, threat making motherfucker in that scrum would be wearing bracelets and going to jail.

There was a time when people didn't do that shit in stores. Or McDonalds. Or Disneyland.

And definitely not in the Woolsworth.