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Thanks. I'll look into the NIV, especially if the ESV study version is still too difficult. I'll start with what sounds like the mama bear version and go from there. All I know right now is that the KJV is almost unintelligible off the cuff. Smile


You could also look at the New King James, it's more modern. but the ESV study bible is a very very sound choice.


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I personally like New American Standard Version and ESV better than NIV but NIV was my main Bible in my childhood and teens.

There are three basic types of translations.

One is a paraphrase which goes a little too much into telling the reader what the original text means, rather than just what it says. This can lead to a lot of negatives, imo, so I generally avoid paraphrases like The Message or The Living Bible or even the New Living Translation.

The second are translations that aim to convey the text in a "thought-for-thought" manner. These are called functional equivalence translations. I don't have a problem with most of these but they do take into account more of the translator's perception than the next category. These translations help explain idioms, cultural usage, and colloquialisms that can provide some extra context. The potential is still there for the translator's understanding of those things to come through in the words. The NIV is probably the best of these.

Lastly, you have word-for-word, or formal equivalence translations. These take the original text, be it Hebrew for the OT and mostly Greek for the NT, and translate the words with directly. This, of course, means you the reader are left to try to understand some of the things the functional equivalence translations try to explain for you, but you can also be assured you are seeing the text as closely as you can. KJV, Amplified, ESV, NASB in this category.

My suggestion would be to get a formal and a functional and cross reference them. Perhaps have a paper copy of one and then also use a Bible app (I use Youversion) which often has many translations you can switch between. If I were you I'd have an NIV and an ESV Study Bible. The Amplified Bible is very wordy but could also be of use because it states things often in multiple ways and offers more than one word to get help explain what it means.

For instance, John 3:16 in the Amplified Bible is really lovely, I think.
"For God so [greatly] loved and dearly prized the world, that He [even] gave His [One and] only begotten Son, so that whoever believes and trusts in Him [as Savior] shall not perish, but have eternal life."

Sorry to complicate this but there are also various study versions of all of these translations. My personal favorite is 100% the Thompson Chain Reference which gives cross-reference indeces in the margins about where you can find similar themes elsewhere in the Bible. Not sure if it is offered in non-KJV, though. Next would probably be the ESV Study I mentioned above.



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I like the Legacy Standard Bible (LSB). It's an updated version(edition is the more appropriate word) of NASB (which has two editions, 1971, 1995), in 2020 the intent was to update language in the NASB 95, but ultimately the LSB was created. (more history and info HERE.

This is my current daily bible: Amazon Link

I keep a bunch of these around to give to people when they ask for a bible: NASB/MacArthur Study Bible (I see they've gone up (doubled) in price since I last ordered. Usually, you can get these for $15-$19 each, hardcover. Great study bible.

It looks like he has an LSB version here $33: Amazon Link

As for studying the Bible, as others have said, a great place to start is to just read it. Some basic understanding of the Bible helps. Most Bibles you find in the States will be a "Christian Bible", comprised of 66 books. In chronological order (out of a 365 day reading plan), this is the order:

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1. Genesis 1-3 2. Genesis 4-7 3. Genesis 8-11 4. Job 1-5 5. Job 6-9 6. Job 10-13 7. Job 14-16 8. Job 17-20 9. Job 21-23 10. Job 24-28 11. Job 29-31 12. Job 32-34 13. Job 35-37 14. Job 38-39 15. Job 40-42 16. Genesis 12-15 17. Genesis 16-18 18. Genesis 19-21 19. Genesis 22-24 20. Genesis 25-26 21. Genesis 27-29 22. Genesis 30-31 23. Genesis 32-34 24. Genesis 35-37 25. Genesis 38-40 26. Genesis 41-42 27. Genesis 43-45 28. Genesis 46-47 29. Genesis 48-50 30. Exodus 1-3 31. Exodus 4-6 32. Exodus 7-9 33. Exodus 10-12 34. Exodus 13-15 35. Exodus 16-18 36. Exodus 19-21 37. Exodus 22-24 38. Exodus 25-27 39. Exodus 28-29 40. Exodus 30-32 41. Exodus 33-35 42. Exodus 36-38 43. Exodus 39-40 44. Leviticus 1-4 45. Leviticus 5-7 46. Leviticus 8-10 47. Leviticus 11-13 48. Leviticus 14-15 49. Leviticus 16-18 50. Leviticus 19-21 51. Leviticus 22-23 52. Leviticus 24-25 53. Leviticus 26-27 54. Numbers 1-2 55. Numbers 3-4 56. Numbers 5-6 57. Numbers 7 58. Numbers 8-10 59. Numbers 11-13 60. Numbers 14-15 61. Numbers 16-17 62. Numbers 18-20 63. Numbers 21-22 64. Numbers 23-25 65. Numbers 26-27 66. Numbers 28-30 67. Numbers 31-32 68. Numbers 33-34 69. Numbers 35-36 70. Deuteronomy 1-2 71. Deuteronomy 3-4 72. Deuteronomy 5-7 73. Deuteronomy 8-10 74. Deuteronomy 11-13 75. Deuteronomy 14-16 76. Deuteronomy 17-20 77. Deuteronomy 21-23 78. Deuteronomy 24-27 79. Deuteronomy 28-29 80. Deuteronomy 30-31 81. Deuteronomy 32-34; Psalm 90 82. Joshua 1-4 83. Joshua 5-8 84. Joshua 9-11 85. Joshua 12-15 86. Joshua 16-18 87. Joshua 19-21 88. Joshua 22-24 89. Judges 1-2 90. Judges 3-5 91. Judges 6-7 92. Judges 8-9 93. Judges 10-12 94. Judges 13-15 95. Judges 16-18 96. Judges 19-21 97. Ruth 98. 1 Samuel 1-3 99. 1 Samuel 4-8 100. 1 Samuel 9-12 101. 1 Samuel 13-14 102. 1 Samuel 15-17 103. 1 Samuel 18-20; Psalms 11, 59 104. 1 Samuel 21-24; Psalm 91 105. Psalms 7, 27, 31, 34, 52 106. Psalms 56, 120, 140-142 107. 1 Samuel 25-27 108. Psalms 17, 35, 54, 63 109. 1 Samuel 28-31; Psalm 18 110. Psalms 121, 123-125, 128-130 111. 2 Samuel 1-4 112. Psalms 6, 8-10, 14, 16, 19, 21 113. 1 Chronicles 1-2 114. Psalms 43-45, 49, 84-85, 87 115. 1 Chronicles 3-5 116. Psalms 73, 77-78 117. 1 Chronicles 6 118. Psalms 81, 88, 92-93 119. 1 Chronicles 7-10 120. Psalms 102-104 121. 2 Samuel 5; 1 Chronicles 11-12 122. Psalm 133 123. Psalms 106-107 124. 1 Chronicles 13-16 125. Psalms 1-2, 15, 22-24, 47, 68 126. Psalms 89, 96, 100-101, 105, 132 127. 2 Samuel 6-7; 1 Chronicles 17 128. Psalms 25, 29, 33, 36, 39 129. 2 Samuel 8-9; 1 Chronicles 18 130. Psalms 50, 53, 60, 75 131. 2 Samuel 10; 1 Chronicles 19; Psalm 20 132. Psalms 65-67, 69-70 133. 2 Samuel 11-12; 1 Chronicles 20 134. Psalms 32, 51, 86, 122 135. 2 Samuel 13-15 136. Psalms 3-4, 12-13, 28, 55 137. 2 Samuel 16-18 138. Psalms 26, 40, 58, 61-62, 64 139. 2 Samuel 19-21 140. Psalms 5, 38, 41-42 141. 2 Samuel 22-23; Psalm 57 142. Psalms 95, 97-99 143. 2 Samuel 24; 1 Chronicles 21-22; Psalm 30 144. Psalms 108-110 145. 1 Chronicles 23-25 146. Psalms 131, 138-139, 143-145 147. 1 Chronicles 26-29; Psalm 127 148. Psalms 111-118 149. 1 Kings 1-2; Psalms 37, 71, 94 150. Psalm 119 151. 1 Kings 3-4 152. 2 Chronicles 1; Psalm 72 153. Song of Solomon 154. Proverbs 1-3 155. Proverbs 4-6 156. Proverbs 7-9 157. Proverbs 10-12 158. Proverbs 13-15 159. Proverbs 16-18 160. Proverbs 19-21 161. Proverbs 22-24 162. 1 Kings 5-6; 2 Chronicles 2-3 163. 1 Kings 7; 2 Chronicles 4 164. 1 Kings 8; 2 Chronicles 5 165. 2 Chronicles 6-7; Psalm 136 166. Psalms 134, 146-150 167. 1 Kings 9; 2 Chronicles 8 168. Proverbs 25-26 169. Proverbs 27-29 170. Ecclesiastes 1-6 171. Ecclesiastes 7-12 172. 1 Kings 10-11; 2 Chronicles 9 173. Proverbs 30-31 174. 1 Kings 12-14 175. 2 Chronicles 10-12 176. 1 Kings 15; 2 Chronicles 13-16 177. 1 Kings 16; 2 Chronicles 17 178. 1 Kings 17-19 179. 1 Kings 20-21 180. 1 Kings 22; 2 Chronicles 18 181. 2 Chronicles 19-23 182. Obadiah; Psalms 82-83 183. 2 Kings 1-4 184. 2 Kings 5-8 185. 2 Kings 9-11 186. 2 Kings 12-13; 2 Chronicles 24 187. 2 Kings 14; 2 Chronicles 25 188. Jonah 189. 2 Kings 15; 2 Chronicles 26 190. Isaiah 1-4 191. Isaiah 5-8 192. Amos 1-5 193. Amos 6-9 194. 2 Chronicles 27; Isaiah 9-12 195. Micah 196. 2 Chronicles 28; 2 Kings 16-17 197. Isaiah 13-17 198. Isaiah 18-22 199. Isaiah 23-27 200. 2 Kings 18; 2 Chronicles 29-31; Psalm 48 201. Hosea 1-7 202. Hosea 8-14 203. Isaiah 28-30 204. Isaiah 31-34 205. Isaiah 35-36 206. Isaiah 37-39; Psalm 76 207. Isaiah 40-43 208. Isaiah 44-48 209. 2 Kings 19; Psalms 46, 80, 135 210. Isaiah 49-53 211. Isaiah 54-58 212. Isaiah 59-63 213. Isaiah 64-66 214. 2 Kings 20-21 215. 2 Chronicles 32-33 216. Nahum 217. 2 Kings 22-23; 2 Chronicles 34-35 218. Zephaniah 219. Jeremiah 1-3 220. Jeremiah 4-6 221. Jeremiah 7-9 222. Jeremiah 10-13 223. Jeremiah 14-17 224. Jeremiah 18-22 225. Jeremiah 23-25 226. Jeremiah 26-29 227. Jeremiah 30-31 228. Jeremiah 32-34 229. Jeremiah 35-37 230. Jeremiah 38-40; Psalms 74, 79 231. 2 Kings 24-25; 2 Chronicles 36 232. Habakkuk 233. Jeremiah 41-45 234. Jeremiah 46-48 235. Jeremiah 49-50 236. Jeremiah 51-52 237. Lamentations 1-2 238. Lamentations 3-5 239. Ezekiel 1-4 240. Ezekiel 5-8 241. Ezekiel 9-12 242. Ezekiel 13-15 243. Ezekiel 16-17 244. Ezekiel 18-20 245. Ezekiel 21-22 246. Ezekiel 23-24 247. Ezekiel 25-27 248. Ezekiel 28-30 249. Ezekiel 31-33 250. Ezekiel 34-36 251. Ezekiel 37-39 252. Ezekiel 40-42 253. Ezekiel 43-45 254. Ezekiel 46-48 255. Joel 256. Daniel 1-3 257. Daniel 4-6 258. Daniel 7-9 259. Daniel 10-12 260. Ezra 1-3 261. Ezra 4-6; Psalm 137 262. Haggai 263. Zechariah 1-4 264. Zechariah 5-9 265. Zechariah 10-14 266. Esther 1-5 267. Esther 6-10 268. Ezra 7-10 269. Nehemiah 1-5 270. Nehemiah 6-7 271. Nehemiah 8-10 272. Nehemiah 11-13; Psalm 126 273. Malachi 274. Luke 1; John 1 275. Matthew 1; Luke 2 276. Matthew 2 277. Matthew 3; Mark 1; Luke 3 278. Matthew 4; Luke 4-5 279. John 2-4 280. Matthew 8; Mark 2 281. John 5 282. Matthew 12; Mark 3; Luke 6 283. Matthew 5-7 284. Matthew 9; Luke 7 285. Matthew 11 286. Luke 11 287. Matthew 13; Luke 8 288. Mark 4-5 289. Matthew 10 290. Matthew 14; Mark 6; Luke 9 291. John 6 292. Matthew 15; Mark 7 293. Matthew 16; Mark 8 294. Matthew 17; Mark 9 295. Matthew 18 296. John 7-8 297. John 9-10 298. Luke 10 299. Luke 12-13 300. Luke 14-15 301. Luke 16-17 302. John 11 303. Luke 18 304. Matthew 19; Mark 10 305. Matthew 20-21 306. Luke 19 307. Mark 11; John 12 308. Matthew 22; Mark 12 309. Matthew 23; Luke 20-21 310. Mark 13 311. Matthew 24 312. Matthew 25 313. Matthew 26; Mark 14 314. Luke 22; John 13 315. John 14-17 316. Matthew 27; Mark 15 317. Luke 23; John 18-19 318. Matthew 28; Mark 16 319. Luke 24; John 20-21 320. Acts 1-3 321. Acts 4-6 322. Acts 7-8 323. Acts 9-10 324. Acts 11-12 325. Acts 13-14 326. James 327. Acts 15-16 328. Galatians 1-3 329. Galatians 4-6 330. Acts 17 331. 1 & 2 Thessalonians 332. Acts 18-19 333. 1 Corinthians 1-4 334. 1 Corinthians 5-8 335. 1 Corinthians 9-11 336. 1 Corinthians 12-14 337. 1 Corinthians 15-16 338. 2 Corinthians 1-4 339. 2 Corinthians 5-9 340. 2 Corinthians 10-13 341. Romans 1-3 342. Romans 4-7 343. Romans 8-10 344. Romans 11-13 345. Romans 14-16 346. Acts 20-23 347. Acts 24-26 348. Acts 27-28 349. Colossians, Philemon 350. Ephesians 351. Philippians 352. 1 Timothy 353. Titus 354. 1 Peter 355. Hebrews 1-6 356. Hebrews 7-10 357. Hebrews 11-13 358. 2 Timothy 359. 2 Peter, Jude 360. 1 John 361. 2, 3 John 362. Revelation 1-5 363. Revelation 6-11 364. Revelation 12-18 365. Revelation 19-22
Link to a PDF with this chronological ordered 365 day reading plan (PDF)

I think the Genesis Project (Answers in Genesis) folks do a great job of summarizing the Bible from a Christ follower's perspective. Answers in Genesis Bible page

Hope this helps.


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I like the Legacy Standard Bible (LSB). It's an updated version(edition is the more appropriate word) of NASB (which has two editions, 1971, 1995), in 2020 the intent was to update language in the NASB 95, but ultimately the LSB was created. (more history and info HERE.

This is my current daily bible: Amazon Link



A man of taste! the PPR is wonderful. the LSB is my primary modern translation, but I feel it's doomed to obscurity.


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Start off with an NIV Student/Study Bible and don’t start reading the Old Testament. I find the NIV to be the easiest to read.
I have been a Christian all my life and in February decided to read the Bible cover to cover. I bought this Bible and it is really helpful.
Each book opens with what to know and what to look for in the upcoming book. It highlights important characters, historical info, traditions, and breaks things down with quite a bit of footnotes. There are also some summary breakdowns along the way for specific chapter or stories.

https://a.co/d/5VkMjsa


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Start off with an NIV Student/Study Bible and don’t start reading the Old Testament. I find the NIV to be the easiest to read.
I have been a Christian all my life and in February decided to read the Bible cover to cover. I bought this Bible and it is really helpful.
Each book opens with what to know and what to look for in the upcoming book. It highlights important characters, historical info, traditions, and breaks things down with quite a bit of footnotes. There are also some summary breakdowns along the way for specific chapter or stories.

https://a.co/d/5VkMjsa


Mine is an ESV, but also has the preface for each book [all at the back, so you have to flip back there to get the preface]. Sounds like yours may give a bit more, which is nice.
I did a cover to cover, took a few months & need to get back into it more than I do currently.




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Another vote here for the NIV. I've been using it since 1997.

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I got a new ESV bible (thanks P250UA5) - study, journal, normal print. It seems really nice but the paper seems a little thin (consistent w/ other bibles I have but seems too thin to take notes). If I do take notes, it will probably be on small post-its.

I think the next bible will be a study, larger font with out the journaling margins. Unless I can find one with thicker paper. But this combination seems rare....




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Start off with an NIV Student/Study Bible and don’t start reading the Old Testament. I find the NIV to be the easiest to read.
I have been a Christian all my life and in February decided to read the Bible cover to cover. I bought this Bible and it is really helpful.
Each book opens with what to know and what to look for in the upcoming book. It highlights important characters, historical info, traditions, and breaks things down with quite a bit of footnotes. There are also some summary breakdowns along the way for specific chapter or stories.

https://a.co/d/5VkMjsa


Mine is an ESV, but also has the preface for each book [all at the back, so you have to flip back there to get the preface]. Sounds like yours may give a bit more, which is nice.
I did a cover to cover, took a few months & need to get back into it more than I do currently.


I am reading 5 chapters a night as my wife put the kiddos to sleep. Currently in Job, interestingly enough Esther has been my favorite book of the Old Testament so far.
I do my prayer and devotional when I get up and it’s still nice and quiet. For that I use a Gus Lloyd’s a minute in the church series as I am a newer Catholic and it’s a nice set for specifics in the Catholic Church but not as heavy as the Catechism.

https://guslloyd.com/collectio...d-back-to-the-basics

I also go through a daily devotional at that time and then start my morning in prayer.


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I got a new ESV bible (thanks P250UA5) - study, journal, normal print. It seems really nice but the paper seems a little thin (consistent w/ other bibles I have but seems too thin to take notes). If I do take notes, it will probably be on small post-its.

I think the next bible will be a study, larger font with out the journaling margins. Unless I can find one with thicker paper. But this combination seems rare....


My wife has the same ESV I have, I'm not a big note taker, so the pages aren't a concern for me.
She keeps a small notepad, that's about the same size as her bible to takes any notes in during the sermon.

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Originally posted by P250UA5:
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Originally posted by Black92LX:
Start off with an NIV Student/Study Bible and don’t start reading the Old Testament. I find the NIV to be the easiest to read.
I have been a Christian all my life and in February decided to read the Bible cover to cover. I bought this Bible and it is really helpful.
Each book opens with what to know and what to look for in the upcoming book. It highlights important characters, historical info, traditions, and breaks things down with quite a bit of footnotes. There are also some summary breakdowns along the way for specific chapter or stories.

https://a.co/d/5VkMjsa


Mine is an ESV, but also has the preface for each book [all at the back, so you have to flip back there to get the preface]. Sounds like yours may give a bit more, which is nice.
I did a cover to cover, took a few months & need to get back into it more than I do currently.


I am reading 5 chapters a night as my wife put the kiddos to sleep. Currently in Job, interestingly enough Esther has been my favorite book of the Old Testament so far.
I do my prayer and devotional when I get up and it’s still nice and quiet. For that I use a Gus Lloyd’s a minute in the church series as I am a newer Catholic and it’s a nice set for specifics in the Catholic Church but not as heavy as the Catechism.

https://guslloyd.com/collectio...d-back-to-the-basics

I also go through a daily devotional at that time and then start my morning in prayer.


We just finished an Esther series at our church. Our pastor likes to work through individual books, which sometimes can take a couple months, but we like the format he uses.




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I use the ESV mostly these days, but will cross-reference to a few others regularly for clarity. For a chuckle, check out Proverbs in The Message (MSG) written in our modern vernacular.

Remember, they're all translations and paraphrased unless you can read the original Greek, Hebrew, and Aramaic.



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