The amount of voter fraud in this upcoming Nov election is going to be legion. This mail in ballot crap is insane. No other country does this. My French wife, who is no right winger, is absolutely befuddled by the whole notion. She just can't comprehend it. We really have our heads up our asses if we allow this to become normal.

Balze, I’ve been telling my friends and family that the voter fraud in this November’s election is going to be epic, off the charts. I told my wife this morning on the way to Sams that it will be right in our face also and they don’t care. They don’t even try to hide it.

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
The amount of voter fraud in this upcoming Nov election is going to be legion. This mail in ballot crap is insane. No other country does this. My French wife, who is no right winger, is absolutely befuddled by the whole notion. She just can't comprehend it. We really have our heads up our asses if we allow this to become normal.

India manages to require voter ID without any problems. They also manage to vote in person. It's a very poor country with a very large population. The Democrats have done an excellent job of convincing their masses that anything that reduces voter fraud is bad.

If the donkey’s voter fraud themselves into the white house what recourse does sane, law-abiding, rational America have? The left expects that we will roll over and take it. They are very confident in this assumption, which is why they are so brazen.

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but here in CO and individual can harvest up to 10 ballots.

How?

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but here in CO and individual can harvest up to 10 ballots.

How?

On the instructions to Vote, in the Mailing Information section, it states: 'It is a violation of law to receive more than 10 ballots for mailing or delivery in any election.'

The intent is that you can take you extended families ballots and mail them or from them off at a drop off location.

Then there is this nice little (not too slanted) article:

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No, Fraud Isn’t Rampant in Colorado’s Mail-In Voting System
President Donald Trump has cited security concerns for why widespread mail-in voting doesn't work. But the Centennial State has proven that, with the right system in place, fraud can be prevented and turnout can soar.

BY SHANE MONAGHAN • MAY 1, 2020
On April 7, many Wisconsinites put their health in jeopardy to exercise their right to vote. At the time, stay-at-home orders were in place across the country. Elections set to take place during the preceding weeks in states like Alabama, Louisiana, and Georgia had been postponed. But the Wisconsin primary went on as scheduled, forcing thousands of people to line up at a limited number of polling places despite the threat of the novel coronavirus.

That scene in the Badger State, along with a growing list of primaries that have been postponed since, escalated a nationwide debate about how elections should be conducted during the COVID-19 pandemic. Many governors, secretaries of state, and members of Congress from both parties have advocated for an expansion of mail-in voting so people can cast a ballot without fear of catching the deadly virus. But some Republicans—most notably President Donald Trump—have denounced the idea, claiming the practice is an easy target for fraud.



Colorado is one of just five states that sends a ballot to every registered voter by mail, and if the success of our elections is any proof, Trump’s assertions don’t have much merit. “Mail-in voting is safe if you have the proper processes in place,” says Wayne Williams, who helped refine Colorado’s mail-in voting initiative while he was secretary of state from 2015 to 2019. “Our state’s system is an example of how things can be kept secure.”

Both Williams and current Secretary of State Jena Griswold say there are two key pieces that help Colorado assure the integrity of its mail-in voting system. First is the ability to maintain accurate mailing lists. To do that, addresses are regularly updated using information from both the National Change of Address database and the Colorado Department of Revenue, which receives notice of your updated location when you revise that info during a DMV visit. The accuracy of that directory ensures people actually receive their ballot. Voting rolls are also examined against the Social Security Index, so people who have died can be removed.


The second important security measure is the ability to cross-check voters’ John Hancocks. Before you submit your ballot, you must sign the back of it. After being collected from the ballot box, a team of bipartisan election judges appointed by county clerks compare those squiggly lines to the signature listed under your name in the state’s voting database, which is typically pulled from your driver’s license. If the two don’t match, the county clerk sends you a letter asking for proof the ballot is yours, usually by sending back a fixed signature.

Williams says his team once had to send such a note to his daughter when he was secretary of state: “She had carefully spelled out her name on an early driver’s license and by the time she was in college it was a scrawl.” If there appears to be evidence of some sort of double or illegal voting, though, the secretary of state can refer someone to the district attorney for investigation. According to Griswold, only .0027 percent of the more than 2.5 million ballots cast in Colorado during the 2018 midterm election were suspect enough to take that type of action. “It’s really rare,” she says, “but it’s still important that we guard against it.”

Those protections do go beyond just updating lists and examining autographs. Colorado also checks with the five other states that conduct all elections entirely by mail, including Oregon and Washington, to make sure someone isn’t casting a ballot by mail in multiple locations. The state even defends against what is known as ballot harvesting with a law that says the most ballots one person can turn in is 10. That means you can still take the ballot your elderly grandma lawfully filled out to a polling place for her, and it hopefully limits the chances that people will give their ballots to someone who says they’ll turn it in but has no intention of doing so.

Griswold is also quick to point out that because mail-in ballots are analog, it’s more difficult for anyone outside the state or country to possibly interfere. “We know foreign countries want to undermine our democracy,” she says. “Part of the way they do that is through elections, but you can’t hack a paper ballot.”

Our whole system has led many election experts to call the Centennial State one of the safer places to vote. “The people that study this stuff put Colorado near the top of the list in terms of managing elections,” says David Kimball, a professor at University of Missouri–St. Louis and one of the country’s leading election administration scholars. It’s even helped the state’s turnout consistently outpace national numbers: Nearly 60 percent of eligible voting age adults in Colorado participated in the 2018 midterms compared to just 48 percent nationwide. More people also participated in the 2020 presidential primary than in any primary in the state’s history.


It is still unclear, though, to what extent similar procedures can be implemented across the country for upcoming primaries and the general election in November. Colorado has been fine-tuning its all-mail elections since a state law required the shift in 2013. We even got some practice with a wide-ranging absentee system that was already in place before that. Sixteen states still require voters to come up with a valid excuse to be able to vote by mail. Williams says those places may have a harder time building out a program that allows as many people as possible to avoid a polling place come November.

Griswold, though, is more than willing to educate others on Colorado’s system. She’s gotten questions from at least a third of the states about how to make the switch. “President Trump is pointing toward voter fraud as a distraction,” she says. “People shouldn’t have to make a decision between casting their ballots and protecting their health.”

The Supreme Court ruled Thursday for the Trump administration in a key immigration case, determining that a federal law limiting an asylum applicant’s ability to appeal a determination that he lacked a credible fear of persecution from his home country does not violate the Constitution.

The ruling means the administration can deport some people seeking asylum without allowing them to make their case to a federal judge. The 7-2 ruling applies to those who fail their initial asylum screenings, making them eligible for quick deportation.

In a decision in the case of Dept. of Homeland Security v. Thuraissigiam, the court ruled that the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act (IIRIRA) – which prevents judicial review of the credible fear determination – does not violate the Constitution’s Suspension Clause, which protects habeas corpus privileges that allow courts to determine if a person should be released due to unlawful detention.


https://www.foxnews.com/politi...r-for-asylum-seekers

USPS truck in New Jersey Carrying Mail in Ballots catches fire...

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USPS truck caught fire in New Jersey carrying possible mail-in ballots: report

Mail-in ballots may have been on a U.S. Postal Service vehicle that caught fire in the state over the weekend, New Jersey officials reportedly said this week.

Post Office spokesperson George Flood told NJ.com that a postal vehicle carrying mail en route to nearly 100 addresses in Morris Township, N.J., over the weekend caught fire due to mechanical problems, but confirmed that no one was hurt.

TRUMP SAYS SURGE IN VOTING BY MAIL 'HIS BIGGEST RISK'

The Morris County Clerk’s office reportedly posted an “urgent notice” to voters living in the area, and posted addresses mail was being delivered to, advising any registered Democrat, Republican, or unaffiliated voters who did not receive a vote-by-mail ballot to contact the clerk’s office.

New Jersey’s primary election is slated for July 7, after being postponed from its original date of June 2. The election will be mostly vote-by-mail due to the coronavirus pandemic. New Jersey officials, though, told NJ.com that all 21 counties in the state will offer some in-person polling places.

For months, President Trump has railed against efforts by Democrats and some Republicans to allow more people to vote by absentee ballot in the general election, to avoid health risks associated with voting in-person at polling stations amid the coronavirus pandemic. His reelection campaign and the Republican National Committee earlier this year launched a multimillion-dollar legal push to squash moves by Democrats to expand ballot access.

VOTING PROBLEMS DURING SOME PRIMARIES RAISE CONCERNS ABOUT GENERAL ELECTION CHAOS

Election experts do say that voting by mail is more susceptible to fraud than casting a ballot in person, but they’ve seen no evidence of widespread fraud or that absentee balloting favors Democrats. But the massive increase in absentee balloting places an extra burden on already stressed-out state and county election officials and on a U.S. Postal Service facing financial and manpower deficits.

By a 59-38 percent margin, registered voters questioned in a Quinnipiac University national poll released last week said that all voters in the U.S. should be allowed to cast ballots by mail in November due to coronavirus health concerns.

But the survey indicated a sharp partisan divide, with 90 percent of Democrats – and 57 percent of independents – supporting increased balloting by mail, and nearly three-quarters of Republicans opposed.

Fox News’ Paul Steinhauser contributed to this report.

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The second important security measure is the ability to cross-check voters’ John Hancocks. Before you submit your ballot, you must sign the back of it. After being collected from the ballot box, a team of bipartisan election judges appointed by county clerks compare those squiggly lines to the signature listed under your name in the state’s voting database, which is typically pulled from your driver’s license. If the two don’t match, the county clerk sends you a letter asking for proof the ballot is yours, usually by sending back a fixed signature.

What an absolute crock of shit. This is the type of subjective crap that scares the hell out me. The signature on my driver's license looks barely like my actual signature because I had to use a crappy touch pad to digitally sign my name when I got my license. So we have to rely on simpleminded laymen to be handwriting experts now? The chance for legitimate ballots being tossed (especially if you're mailing your ballot on or close to election day) is very real. The chance for outright fraud is also very real.

The idea of mail in ballots as the primary form of voting needs to be shitcanned immediately.

The dang Cuban frog that hangs out in my mailbox must be a democrat; he peed on my Urgent Personal Request letter from President Donald Trump.

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The second important security measure is the ability to cross-check voters’ John Hancocks. Before you submit your ballot, you must sign the back of it. After being collected from the ballot box, a team of bipartisan election judges appointed by county clerks compare those squiggly lines to the signature listed under your name in the state’s voting database, which is typically pulled from your driver’s license. If the two don’t match, the county clerk sends you a letter asking for proof the ballot is yours, usually by sending back a fixed signature.

You sign the "back of the ballot"? Doesn't that violate the concept of anonymous voting? The scheme used by the military (at least back in the 1970s) involved 2 envelopes--the inner one, sealed and notarized, contained the actual ballot, while the outer one possessed identification about the voter. Upon receipt, the voter was validated and logged as voting and the inner envelope was sent to be opened and processed (by a different person). Other than the voter and the notarizing agent, no one could link the ballot to an individual.

Obviously, this process is very labor-intensive, and not workable for a large number of voters.

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In Colorado, we sign the envelope, not the ballot.

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Originally posted by BOATTRASH1:
Balze, I’ve been telling my friends and family that the voter fraud in this November’s election is going to be epic, off the charts. I told my wife this morning on the way to Sams that it will be right in our face also and they don’t care. They don’t even try to hide it.

I guess nothing will be done about it?

Accks your guess is as good as mine. I see legal challenges all over the place after the November election. I think it will make Bush v Gore look like nothing. The libs will not go down quietly.

Trump was in Green Bay today. I was just out walking the dog and Air Force One flew over me just 10 minutes ago. I did a silent salute and said a prayer that he keep fighting and never give up.

Maybe one of you learned individuals can direct me to the location in the US Constitution that guarantees all of us the 'right' of totally convenient voting. I've looked for it but can't seem to find it. The polling place is usually centrally located and open 12+ hours a day. On top of that, most companies allow their employees time off to vote. If the bulk of the population can't get off their lazy, unfocused asses, and spend a few minutes voting, well too damn bad.

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If the bulk of the population can't get off their lazy, unfocused asses, and spend a few minutes voting, well too damn bad.

Especially since those voters are most likely to be the ones we'd rather not have voting, anyway.

flashguy

I guess if Colorado has the whole mail-in ballot situation figured out, the ballots to "first name/last name" in the same mail delivery as "first name/middle name/last name" (for the same freaking guy) shouldn't be a problem. They got it all figured out down there in Denver...

Damn, it's going to be rough around the dinner table in Michigan:

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Daughter of Michigan Republican urges people to vote against her dad.

Regan is a red-blooded Republican who previously described himself as “so conservative that he makes Rush Limbaugh look like a liberal” and boasted about being the first candidate to support President Donald Trump. His issues include making English the official language in Michigan, opposing all forms of immigration reform (which Regan calls “a codeword for amnesty”), opposing abortion, and restoring Michigan’s constitutional militia.