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Originally posted by Patriot:


They are on the front lines...so why would they lie???

Why would the things they say not be true?

Money, mainly. Hospitals are in the business of making money. They don't have a lot of "reserve" when it comes to capacity. They have majorly dropped the ball and have been caught for things that normally they would not have been caught for. I have friends that live in other places that ARE SCARED and ARE WORKING without PPE because the hospitals are telling them to do it or get out. The same hospitals are holding CV test results, because until the patient is COVID positive, they do not have to put them in isolation.

I know you guys desperately do not want to be wrong on this, but the hospitals have dropped the ball putting profits over preparedness. In any given Friday night, your local ER is triaging people in the hallways because all the beds are full. Most days, ICU is nearly full. Put any of that under a load, and it spills over. Plus, do you really think that NYC can't handle the dead with their population size? Or are they isolating the dead in a separate area, like a freezer truck, on purpose.

Someone, or something has to be the blame.

Our lefty governor told us yesterday that hospitals in the state are mostly empty. It's probably the only thing I believe that he's said. Looking at the parking lots of the two trauma centers between here and work they are empty, with wait times at the ER being 0.

(Before the butthurt flows, it is not the fault of the doctors or nurses. They don't control things)

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Originally posted by midwest guy:

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Originally posted by bdylan:
History will record this as mass hysteria. I believe I understand the politics of the situation and why the President had to initially go along, but this trillion dollar socialist train wreck is a huge mistake and the country never should have pretended to go on lockdown...it simply will not work here. The stores are packed and I'm sitting in traffic just like always.

Interesting observations, the medical front lines are being stretched to their capacity. So we should just say ok folks all good now, business as usual. I’m afraid the Great Panic narrative has already been negated by the overwhelming of our health system and the lack of PPE. Remember On February 26 we were told this was pretty much airtight and to buy the dips. Bless you all.

We aren't prepared for this pandemic. Yes, our medical facilities are stretched thin. Pretty unimaginative to pretend the only possible solution is to shut down society and flatten the curve...it's ridiculous and IMPOSSIBLE in this country. The stores are still packed, we still work every day, and people still travel freely. A sane response would have been to isolate the vulnerable and let the herd ride it out. People are certainly free to stay home out of an abundance of caution. The Chinese response fit their society...they locked the place down and delivered food to their subjects. Mass hysteria here in the U.S.

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Originally posted by lastmanstanding:

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Originally posted by Ronin1069:

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Originally posted by lastmanstanding:
If Hillary were president we wouldn't even be talking about a virus this would be non existent.

You cannot really believe that.

I do. Change my mind. They would be treating this the same way they treated the swine flu when Obama was in office. Like it barely existed. Where were all the medical experts elbowing each other to get out of their way so they could get their 15 minutes in when the swine flu was killing thousands?

Case in point. The WHO declared the swine flu to be unstoppable. Unstoppable, think about that. That's real everybody is going to die from this ringing the alarm bell talk from the World Health Organization!

Now think about if the CDC or the WHO came out and said that about this current virus. It would be more than just a major headline the civil defense system would be blasting it over the tornado warning sirens in every town across the country.

This is how CNN handled the warning from WHO when they declared the Swine flu unstoppable.

It's important to consider the source(s) of your news. CNN hasn't exactly proven to be very credible, have they? When the declared that "WHO" made this assertion, were they talking about one person working there, multiples, or was it an agency wide declaration?

Earlier this week, The President was described as making his decision on continued quarantine directives based upon economic advisors' advice versus the information he's receiving from medical professionals. Not only was that BS disseminated, but Trump's "Hope" that we can resume working as of Easter was also exaggerated as to be definitive.

I trust that the President will take ALL aspects of our safety into consideration before changing his directives, and I'm content to wait and see how things are in two weeks rather than being told today, how things are going to change at that time.

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Originally posted by parabellum:
We went through this when Obama was in office- the "bird flu". Why didn't we fuck up the economy and put Americans out of work back then, huh? You know the answer.

Reuters article from 2010:

Swine flu has killed up to 17,000 in U.S.

Seventeen thousand American deaths from that virus. What did you do during that economic shutdown? Oh, wait- WE DIDN'T FUCKING HAVE ONE!!

Figure it out.

I'm gonna be very honest here, boss, and it might "cost" me some invisible friends, but at this point, I'm pretty fed up and really don't give a popcorn fart.

I am absolutely disappointed, saddened, and somewhat amazed at the reactive nature, hysteria, and pure fear some of the members on this board have displayed over the past 6-8 weeks since this thread was started by Pipe Smoker. I expected way more from a group of people that are comprised, by what I would regard, as very brave people.

Others, beside you and me, keep pointing back to the statistics of the H1N1 virus of 2009/2010 and “normal” influenza of 2017/2018. According to the CDC, these epidemics killed upwards of 13,000 (now 17,000 according to Para's article above) and 62,000 people, respectively. 62,000 people from "normal" Influenza in 2017/2018. SIXTY. TWO. THOUSAND.

Where was the outcry for TOTAL economic shut-down back then? Where were the media and local governments to violate our Constitutional rights and “ORDER” us into our homes? Where was the cry of mercy to HALT virtually ALL air travel and public transportation? In both instances, guess where I was?? I was flying an airplane packed with people upwards to 18 days a month, on average 4 times per day, over thousands and thousands of miles. You know what happened? Not a FRIGGIN' thing! Life went on.

It has simply ASTOUNDED me that some of you wake up each morning foaming at the mouth to try and prove the Fake News Media-Induced HYSTERIA correct. A number of you have bitten into this hook, line, sinker, rod, and reel. And the fighting chair to boot. I just shake my head. Yes...we have a couple of VERY knowledgeable health care professionals providing guidance and opinion and I appreciate that. Even still, I just have to say that some of you need to take a step back and wake the hell up. I'm really sick of all of y'alls doom and gloom when there is absolutely NOTHING to be doom and gloom about.

Play the what-if game with yourselves all day long...IDGAS. If this all blows up and half the world population dies, then I'll be the first one to put a crow on the barbee and say "Gee...you were right". That is, if I'm still here. Beyond that, I have weeds to go pull in my yard that are driving me crazy. THAT...is my dilemma for the day.

Some of y'all need to get a grip. Un-friggin-believable! Start drinking if you have to. Jeezus!!

I'm thinking about posting this on every page here on out...



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Sometimes these typos can be a bit funny.

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Originally posted by jimmy123x:
A swab (like a Q-tip) has to be stuck extremely far up your naval cavity.

They're only gonna find a little lint in mine.

2.2 million dead in the US? I'm telling you- some of these people who are making these ridiculous predictions just need to be hung. Coronavirus is not damaging this nation; hysterical, posturing, egotistical, incompetent know-it-alls with an agenda are damaging this nation.

The antidote is hemp, properly knotted and utilized.

Do any of you honestly think for one single second that such an estimate is anything more than fantasy? And we're listening to these boobs?? I don't care how many degrees they have or how well-regarded they are in their field. A prediction of 2.2. million US deaths from this bug is outrageously false.

Oh, but now, you see, we've "taken the necessary precautions", so he can now "downwardly revise" this figure. Oh, come on. You are fooling a lot of people but you are not fooling all of us.

Canada is looking at a shortage of protective equipment.

What did Trudeau do in Feb ?

https://www.breitbart.com/nati...re-facing-shortages/

Trudeua sent 16 tonnes of PPE to China in Feb

Trudeau still allows daily flights from Shanghai, Beijing, Xiaomin, Guangzhou, and other cities in China to Canada every day. Several a day. And none of them are medically screened – as in, no one has their temperature taken, no one is quarantined, to this day,”

“Trudeau gathered up all of the medical equipment in his reach – 16 tons of it, facemasks, gloves, and other protective gear… and instead of ordering more at maximum production speed, instead of starting to stockpile it and distribute it in Canada, he took our stockpile and sent it to China,”

Health officials in Ontario on Monday warned of critical shortages of the same supplies that were sent to China, putting out a call for anyone who happens to have stockpiles of masks, gowns, respirators, and other supplies to donate them.

I think a common denominator in this thread, and maybe the world as a whole, is anxiety...

Those who thinks this is an issue...and those who don't...all feeling anxiety over the issue.

I'm thankful this thread is here to vent some of the anxiety and present the issues from both sides...and that hopefully helps us all.

I'm not anxious. I'm disgusted.

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Here's an example (referencing sdy's post above)...

During H1N1 and "normal flu season", NO ONE...NO ONE...was swabbed, screened, temperature taken, isolated, quarantined, etc., etc., friggin' etc. WE ALL MADE IT!!!

Just more hysteria...

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Originally posted by parabellum:
I'm not anxious. I'm disgusted.

I swear...I think we're the only two (along with a select few) that have it figured out. JSMH...

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Originally posted by parabellum:
I'm not anxious. I'm disgusted.

Anxiety, disgust, anger, I suppose the feelings run quite broad...

Thanks for leaving the thread open...

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Originally posted by parabellum:
2.2 million dead in the US? I'm telling you- some of these people who are making these ridiculous predictions just need to be hung. Coronavirus is not damaging this nation; hysterical, posturing, egotistical, incompetent know-it-alls with an agenda are damaging this nation.

The antidote is hemp, properly knotted and utilized.

Do any of you honestly think for one single second that such an estimate is anything more than fantasy? And we're listening to these boobs?? I don't care how many degrees they have or how well-regarded they are in their field. A prediction of 2.2. million US deaths from this bug is outrageously false.

Oh, but now, you see, we're "taken the necessary precautions", so he can dow "downwardly revise" this figure. Oh, come on. You are fooling a lot of people but you are not fooling all of us.

It's times like this, I remember the wisdom of George Carlin:
"Think about how smart the 'average' person is, then realize half the people are dumber than that"

It's easier to con or fool someone that's dumb then it is a smarter person.

Anyone notice the talking heads saying that "we're not as in great a danger as what we thought" now that the stimulus is getting nailed down? All anyone of these asshats wanted was to make Trump spend money we don't have and to keep him occupied with something disastrous so he couldn't keep his rally's going. What a bunch of fucking idiots and too many of our own membership has even bought into the bullshit

Well, well, well who would have thought?

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Secretary of State Simon: Minnesota should prepare for 'a different kind of election' amid COVID-19

With the COVID-19 pandemic and a major upcoming election, Minnesota Secretary of State Steve Simon said Minnesotans should prepare for "a different kind of election."

"The current public health crisis has been a serious test for all Minnesotans. It has also been a test for our democracy," Simon said in a statement. "I've heard from many Minnesotans who wonder how, or even if, we will vote in this high-stakes election year. My answer is clear: The 2020 statewide elections should go on as scheduled."

Election alternatives Simon has been looking to include statewide include mail ballots and expanding absentee voting.

The expansion of absentee voting could include reducing the number of polling places, moving polling places to a central location and moving polling places from vulnerable locations.

"Whatever option we use, we'll do this thoughtfully and carefully," Simon said. "No one should have to choose between their health and their right to vote."

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Originally posted by mrw:
When I bring up that COVID-19 is just a nasty flu with a higher death rate for elderly people hose me well here are figures that support Para:

In the USA 2017 -2018 flu cases were 45,000,000, flu deaths 61,000. Flu death rate 2017- 2018 0.1% mostly all elderly over 65. Flu is also highly contagious. So far in USA COVID-19 73,500 cases, COVID-19 deaths 1,065. COVID-19 death rate 1.4% mostly all elderly over 65. In order for COVID-19 to catch flu cases we would need 161,000 COVID-19 new cases per day every day until December 31, current new cases per day is 13,555. In order for COVID-19 to catch flu deaths we would need 215 COVID-19 new deaths per day every day until December 31, current new cases per day is 241. COVID-19 is not in the same mass killing league as influenza and will be gone in a month or so. Flu R0 is around 1.3 COVID-19 is around RO 2.0, about the same.

Those numbers don't account for the fact that social distancing, hand washing, and lockdowns have been going on for several days or weeks in many/most places where COVID-19 has started to ramp up. There has been a specific change in behavior to COVID 19 that there is not to influenza.

Also, the numbers I heard were that the transmission rate of influenza is every 1 person infected infects 1.3 other people, whereas with COVID-19 it's every 1 infects 2 to 2.5, which is significant.

That being said, I don't expect things be nearly as bad medically as what's been predicted. The predictions often don't factor in the public's reaction (distancing, hand washing), and also there's mounting evidence warm/humid air reduces spread. There will of course be tragedies and a massive strain at least on some medical facilities and workers, but I'm skeptical we'll see 6-figure deaths in the US, based on the available evidence.

Recent data from the top ranked UW School of Medicine.


https://news.yahoo.com/us-viru...spite-161924116.html

Some of the people in this country and even this thread remind me of the hysterical woman in Airplane. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNkpIDBtC2c

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Originally posted by FishOn:
Recent data from the top ranked UW School of Medicine.


https://news.yahoo.com/us-viru...spite-161924116.html

I guess the Spanish Flu was also a creation of the talking heads.

You all deserve each other.

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Originally posted by FishOn:
Recent data from the top ranked UW School of Medicine.

https://news.yahoo.com/us-viru...spite-161924116.html

From the article: "The trajectory of the pandemic will change -- and dramatically for the worse -- if people ease up on social distancing or relax with other precautions."

If taking these precautions reduces the death rate to the "80,000" citizens, it will be a major accomplishment (versus 750,000 to a Million or more citizens).