I have many mixed feelings about Baltimore.

I get the part that says it is "criminals killing criminals", so who cares?

But I believe there are many decent people in Baltimore who are trapped. For economic or business or whatever, they can't move out of Baltimore.

They are at the mercy of the criminal gangs and drug dealers. It must be a terrible way to live.

I wish the mayor would pull the police and prosecutors in and say:

We don't have a crime problem as much as we have been invaded and occupied by criminals who control large parts of our city. Our job now is to take those parts back and get them under control and the rule of law.

Our citizens are being held hostage by the gangs. We need to take back the streets and provide general safety for 24 hours a day, every day.

This is fundamentally a job of liberating our city.

Taking back the city will involve taking down the gangs and the shooters who operate w little fear of the law.

Many of the hard core will fight back, and we need to go into this understanding that many of the worst will die rather than surrender.

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that kind of attitude is what it will take to make Baltimore a reasonably safe place and allow people to return to something approaching "normalcy"

You seldom solve problems that you don't accurately describe

Of course the chances of today's politicians taking this radical approach is zero. But from my view, that is the only approach with a chance of being ultimately successful.

SDY,

I miss Baltimore. It always had a seedy underbelly, but I loved visiting there.

You are absolutely correct. Arresting, convicting and removing the criminals is the only way Baltimore will come back to America.

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Taking back the city will involve taking down the gangs and the shooters who operate w little fear of the law.

Unfortunately for the actual good people in the city, it won’t happen until a Rudy Giuliani takes the helm and takes off the gloves. Removes the shackles inhibiting the police. Cleans up more of the town than just the stadium and harbor area.

The reason no democrat will never take these steps is because that would be admitting not only that they have a problem but that the party was complicit in letting it get out control in the first place. Much easier to blame guns, white flight, and racism by the police.

To some extent we see the impact of a community attacking their own police department. Using the sheepdog analogy, if you beat the sheepdog for attacking the wolf, eventually he will stop attacking the wolf.

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Originally posted by sdy:
I have many mixed feelings about Baltimore.

I get the part that says it is "criminals killing criminals", so who cares?

But I believe there are many decent people in Baltimore who are trapped. For economic or business or whatever, they can't move out of Baltimore.

They are at the mercy of the criminal gangs and drug dealers. It must be a terrible way to live.

I wish the mayor would pull the police and prosecutors in and say:

We don't have a crime problem as much as we have been invaded and occupied by criminals who control large parts of our city. Our job now is to take those parts back and get them under control and the rule of law.

Our citizens are being held hostage by the gangs. We need to take back the streets and provide general safety for 24 hours a day, every day.

This is fundamentally a job of liberating our city.

Taking back the city will involve taking down the gangs and the shooters who operate w little fear of the law.

Many of the hard core will fight back, and we need to go into this understanding that many of the worst will die rather than surrender.

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that kind of attitude is what it will take to make Baltimore a reasonably safe place and allow people to return to something approaching "normalcy"

You seldom solve problems that you don't accurately describe

Of course the chances of today's politicians taking this radical approach is zero. But from my view, that is the only approach with a chance of being ultimately successful.

Great idea but that would require a Trump personality in there. But we know who runs Americas big cities.

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Originally posted by CPD SIG:

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Originally posted by jljones:

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Originally posted by CPD SIG:

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Originally posted by jljones:


McNulty couldn’t solve this problem.

Look at you and “The Wire” reference!

I love you Mini Me. You complete me.

Yup, coffee out the nostrils and all over the iPad.
Thanks!

Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeit.

https://hotair.com/archives/ja...rder-record-century/

JAZZ SHAW Posted at 5:01 pm on December 29, 2019



On Friday night another man was shot multiple times and at some point early Saturday morning he succumbed to his injuries and passed away. That was number 343 , a higher death toll than any seen in the city since the early 1990s.

Baltimore police recorded the 343rd homicide of the year Saturday with the fatal shooting of a 32-year-old man in the Belair-Edison neighborhood.

Shortly before 11 p.m., city officers found the man lying in the 4300 block of Dudley Ave. in an area south of Belair Road and two blocks from Herring Run Park. The man had been shot multiple times and later died in an area hospital. Police did not immediately identify the victim.

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When I was young I played on a football team in Baltimore. We practiced in the spring and summer at Herring Run Park and occasionally had games there.

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also from the link

Sometimes a new broom has to sweep clean. People are dying in droves out there. Forget the demographics and identity politics. If the people you are electing can’t get the job done and keep your families safe, it’s time to start looking elsewhere for candidates and – dare we say it – consider voting for some experienced conservative leaders who are willing to make the tough calls on violent crime and actually support the police. If you can’t manage that much then you should probably flee while you can and just abandon the city to the rats, the gangs and the drug dealers.

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Originally posted by sigfreund:

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Originally posted by sigcrazy7:
I know logic and facts don’t matter ....

Well, it’s good to see that at least someone understood my point.
For anyone who thought that I was supporting the usual gun-grabber arguments about the effectiveness of gun control laws, I urge you to actually read the first part of my comments about what the arguments are, not what I believe.

Far too many people on our side seem to think that logic, facts, and even sarcasm on a gun-related forum will change the opinions and efforts of the true believers on the left.
I have followed these issues for nearly 60 years, and if there is one thing I learned in that time, it’s that although efforts to eliminate our rights wax and wane with political seasons, there will always be those who won’t give up regardless of the counter arguments or opinions. And they will always believe that high murder rates committed with guns don’t demonstrate why infringements of other people’s rights should be abandoned, but rather that the solution is greater controls.

(P.S. If you are reading comprehension “challenged,” try again: That is their belief, not mine.)

I don’t really know if you are being sarcastic or sincere in your first line of the reply. I understood your original position just fine. I wanted to elaborate on the trace data because there are people who read this forum who might appreciate the refutation of the gun control group’s arguments wherever they may find them. Sometimes those of us who follow these issues regularly may get a little pedantic in our discussions while forgetting that many reach this forum through a Google search, and those people may not be immersed in the arguments as many here tend to be.

What, exactly, are you advocating that we do? Withhold all logic, facts, and humor on this board because the left is immune to it? When I post on this forum, I know that my primary audience is the membership here, and don’t feel the need to censor myself simply because the left is dogmatic in their beliefs. Perhaps it won’t change anybody’s mind on the left, but so be it. I appreciate the discussion, and yes, even the facts I get here in support of the 2A.

https://nypost.com/2019/12/27/...n-crime-mindset/amp/


Interesting article from the NYT.

"The more likely culprits of elevated violence: (1) sharp cuts in incarceration, (2) prosecutorial retreat from low-level offenses and drug laws and (3) the alienation of each city’s most capable guardians: cops."

Chicago: Homicides per capita (10,000)in 2019 = 2.81

Baltimore: Hold my beer.....

...and yet, according to some posters here, London, with a population of around 13 Million, has an appallingly high level of murder, with rates going through the roof at 142 this year alone...

That's around 1 in a 100,000.

Compared to Baltimore at 57 in 100,000.

Yup, just about the same, right?

that is a good article posted by CPD SIG

It is from the New York Post, not NYT

from the article:

A third of Baltimore homicide suspects in 2017 committed their alleged offenses while on probation or parole, despite having an average of nearly 10 prior arrests.

In Chicago, those arrested for shootings or homicides in 2015-16 had an average of 12 prior arrests.



Baltimore homicides 2019


red = shooting
black = stabbing
green = blunt force
yellow = other
white = unknown

Baltimore is about 10 miles wide (east - west)

The heavy clump of homicides in the left/center is only about 6 square miles

One of my best friends used to live on Dudley Ave. Those were my stomping grounds. Northeast District used to be rough but never like this. Homicides were rare, but no longer. Someone was murdered almost directly in front of the house I grew up in just a few months ago.

A brief synopsis of what changed in the NE district (and many other middle class enclaves): Baltimore used to have a lot of high-rise housing projects, and the ACLU thought this was racist (if you can believe it.) They sued the City and HUD in 1994. As a result of this lawsuit, many of those high-rise projects were torn down and their residents dispersed around the city with section 8 vouchers to live where they pleased. Many of them moved into the NE district, and what resulted is the mess you see today. The middle class was severely reduced and you have what you would see in most 3rd world shitholes - the haves and the have-nots.

As for the rest of the city, not only will it never change, but it will only get worse unless an outside entity - Governor, POTUS, etc. takes extreme action. Right now the city is on life support living off of money from the state and tax revenue generated by just a small few select neighborhoods and businesses, but those people are getting pissed too because law enforcement can't or won't protect them anymore. When the remaining taxpayers start to leave things will get real interesting.

As for me, I reside only a few miles over the city/county line. The City's problems are spreading to the surrounding counties. Within the next 3 years I am looking to move out of this area because the writing is on the wall for Baltimore County.

I don't recall seeing an ethnic breakdown of the 343 victims. Any links or sources?

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Originally posted by Russ59:
I don't recall seeing an ethnic breakdown of the 343 victims. Any links or sources?

Can only guess at the “victims”, but the suspects? Pennsylvania is close. I’m guessing the Amish...or perhaps those shifty Mennonites.

hey the year isn't over yet... give 'em a chance to improve on their record

wondering if we want to keep the year open through the weekend...you know for planning purposes and shit

data from Baltimore Sun paper

Black 160
White 9
Hispanic 5
Unknown 168

https://homicides.news.baltimo...?range=2019&race=all

This is about 90% black offender / black victim

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Originally posted by sdy:
data from Baltimore Sun paper

Black 160
White 9
Hispanic 5
Unknown 168

https://homicides.news.baltimo...?range=2019&race=all

This is about 90% black offender / black victim

I have a hard time believing that a Detective can't figure out the race of a VICTIM....
WTF?!? That part ain't exactly rocket surgery.


I can understand not (or "attempting" not to) identify the race of an offender, just to push the agenda.


(Here's a trick to fudge the numbers:
Let's say you have a dead body in an abandoned house, alley... Somewhere secluded. It's rather obvious that the victim was beaten or stabbed to death. However, after a canvas of the area, and no witnesses saw or heard anything.

Classify it as a "Death Investigation".
It then falls in the same category as someone finding the 89yo neighbor that passed away from natural causes.

After the 1st of the year, one of the Detectives finds video, the autopsy reveals, gets information... on the body that proves its a homicide. It gets reclassified as a homicide, but it counts against last years statistics. And no one cares about last years stats.

It's the smoke and mirrors of keeping the numbers down!)

I'm reading this and everyone seems to be focusing on the race of the victim. Or even the race of the murderous killer. Lets for fun, just guess at the political bent of the killer or the killified. This could be fun.

We should point out that Nancy Pelosi's troops are much more murderous than Donald Trumps! Worse, their killing her voters at an alarming rate. And the neutered police are trying to do Trumps work for him. Well, except that he's a decent human being, he should just tell the killers to step up the pace in order to get more done by this upcoming November.

Maybe I'm wrong and the killers aren't all "D" and the victims aren't mostly the same. I guess some could be the rich working class folks that have a pocket full of money out at 0200 in the bad area's. Might be just as informative to show, as best they can, the hours of the murders. Then if you don't want to be deadified, just stay indoors during those hours.

Well, that and avoid the race and political affiliation that's doing all the killing. Oh, we're back to the agenda politics again. It wouldn't be right or PC to avoid the minority killers, but anyone with any common sense wouldn't associate with "D" individuals!

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Felons can't vote.