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| Unapologetic Old School Curmudgeon  |
If you are in a team or on a mission with people from different branches of the military, how is the chain of command established? The ranks dont line up perfectly across the different branches as far as levels do they? Is an LT an LT no matter what? What about ranks that don't exist in another branch? If there's a general and an admiral, who is in charge, etc. Don't weep for the stupid, or you will be crying all day | ||
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I was an Army MP and my unit patrolled with the Air Force SP’s. I always had a chair force partner and we worked out of an Air Force PMO. It still applies, and we all knew who was what pay grade. We followed our own customs & courtesies with them. Now I didn’t exactly answer to the Airmen that out ranked me. And as an E4 I went head to head with an Air Force E7 flight chief and won. But I still had to be respectful, and damn sure had to be right. But yeah it does apply but its not really a thing honestly. If they had a problem or if we had a problem we’d just go to their chain of command. | |||
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Told cops where to go for over 29 years… |
While there are some differences in names between branches, there is a standard as far as “rank”, or more correctly “pay-grade”. Officer pay grades are O-1, O-2, etc. through O-10. A Navy O-1 equals an Army O-1 equals an Air Force O-1. Marines, Army, and Air Force all use the same rank titles, an O-1 in these three branches is a “2nd Lieutenant”. The Navy and Coast Guard are different, their O-1 is an “Ensign”. Where it gets confusing is when the different branches use the same title but for different ranks. A Marine/Army/Air Force “Captain” is an O-3. A Navy/CG “Captain” is an O-6. A Marine/Army/AF O-6 is a “Colonel”. A Navy/CG O-3 is a “Lieutenant”, and a Marine/Army/AF Lieutenant is an O-1 or O-2 (2nd Lieutenant/1st Lieutenant) There are four (technically 5) “Admiral” or “General” ranks, O-7 through O-10. For the Marines/Army/AF they are O-7 Brigadier General, O-8 Major General, O-9 Lieutenant General, and O-10 General who sport 1-4 stars. Navy/CG are O-7/O-8 Rear Admiral (upper/lower), O-9 Vice Admiral, O-10 Admiral The 5th General rank is “Fleet Admiral” or “General of the Army”. Not actually an additional rank, but a special position for an Admiral or General who commands a large or combined force. What part of "...Shall not be infringed" don't you understand???  | |||
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https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/ma...6e65eae3715b0a2cd9-c "Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor.” Robert A. Heinlein “You may beat me, but you will never win.” sigmonkey-2020 “A single round of buckshot to the torso almost always results in an immediate change of behavior.” Chris Baker | |||
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They actually do line up perfectly. Seniority is determined by pay grade, time in grade, time in service and then age... in that order. For the purposes of cross-service rank comparison, the Army’s ranks of Corporal and Specialist (pay grade E-4) are considered equivalent.
A friend, a newly commissioned Air Force 2Lt, was attending some officer thing or other on a naval base. “Lieutenant Friend” got a much nicer room than “Ensign-Equivalent Friend” would have. "I am a Soldier. I fight where I'm told and I win where I fight." GEN George S. Patton, Jr. | |||
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There are also duty positions. For example a Detachment might have multiple O-3s and E-7s but it will have one detachment Commander or OIC and 1 Non-Commisioned Officer in Charge (NCOIC). So members of that unit will defer to the OIC and NCOIC. A Provincial reconstruction team (PRT) is a good example of this. You'd have a Navy or Airforce O-5 in command with Army, Navy and Air Force Subordinates. There is also OPCON,ADCON and other support relationships. | |||
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I won’t repeat what others have already said, but in a joint environment, standard customs and courtesies apply across all services. However, the “who is in charge” question is solved by whichever position (or “billet”) the individual(s) is/are filling. | |||
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No has mention yet another Lieutenant, the Navy O-2 Lieutenant Junior Grade or J.G. That complicates things just that little bit more. These are best understood on a grid:  Honor is due to member creslin for making SF a photohost acct.  Officers are the easy ones. It's the enlisted that can seem really convoluted across services Plus 4 levels of Warrant Officers.  I returned, and saw under the sun, that the race is not to the swift, nor the battle to the strong, neither yet bread to the wise, nor yet riches to men of understanding, nor yet favour to men of skill; but time and chance happeneth to them all. -Ecclesiastes 9:11 ...But the king shall rejoice in God; every one that sweareth by Him shall glory, but the mouth of them that speak lies shall be stopped. - Psalm 63:11 [excerpted] | |||
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In a mission with different branches of the military, with multiple members from each branch, both enlisted and officer, the chain of command still falls within each branch participating. All things pretty much equal, the person in charge of the mission will depend on circumstance or mission and/or whomever has been appointed as such. Or may even be a high ranking officer located remotely. | |||
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| semi-reformed sailor |
A jg is addressed as Lieutenant Or sir, but in writing he is addressed as LTJG or LTjg.... Just like talking to an admiral lower half...you call him “Admiral” and leave out the lh.... CWOs are called “Sir” when writing you might just write CWO, it is also correct to write CWO2, CWO4, etc And to confound it a little more....when an officer is in charge of a ship, regardless of his rank...he is addressed as “Captain” (I was on one ship that had a Lt as CO, he was called captain, another a CWO was the CO, has was called Captain, and on another a Commander was the CO..he also was called Captain) "Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor.” Robert A. Heinlein “You may beat me, but you will never win.” sigmonkey-2020 “A single round of buckshot to the torso almost always results in an immediate change of behavior.” Chris Baker | |||
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Glorious SPAM! |
You mean 5? (at least for everyone but the Coasties)  | |||
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A Grateful American |
I see everyone left out "Corporal Captain", it was a U.S. Army brevet rank during the Korean conflict... "the meaning of life, is to give life meaning" ✡ Ani Yehudi אני יהודי Le'olam lo shuv לעולם לא שוב! | |||
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always with a hat or sunscreen |
And then we have the "titles" Commodore and Senior Captain usually among commanders of ship squadrons. Certifiable member of the gun toting, septuagenarian, bucket list workin', crazed retiree, bald is beautiful club! USN (RET), COTEP #192 | |||
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Doesn't it also depend on the job at hand? I remember the few times I got onto a Blackhawk, it didn't matter what anybody's rank was. We were all listening to the E4 15T. Demand not that events should happen as you wish; but wish them to happen as they do happen, and you will go on well. -Epictetus | |||
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In the Royal Navy it's the same way. Historically, there wass only one 'Captain' on a ship, so if a Marine Captain was the OIC of a shipboard detachment, he was given an honorary (and temporary) promotion to 'Major' while aboard. | |||
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This all sounds VERY military to me. LOL | |||
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Warrant Officer is probably the best rank in the service. It fits in between nco and officer rank and addressed as Mister or Mame depending on gender. | |||
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 Harshest Dream, Reality | |||
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I frequently work on missions in various joint task force organizations. I’ve never compared my date of rank with anyone. Chain of command is established by the organizational chart, and what role you play. For example, I’ve commanded the air component within a JTF led by another O-5. But he’s the overall commander regardless of date of rank. Bottom line- the commander is in charge. I’ve never seen it disputed. The only disputes I’ve seen are between ops and intel. | |||
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| semi-reformed sailor |
Another weird naval thing to further confuse or actually determine who is in charge or of the highest rank while tied up in ports is the flying of “third sub pennant” or SOPA..(senior officer Present afloat) If several ships are tied up, one of them has to outrank the others, ie. When seven patrol boats are tied up in Miami..all the boats COs are LTs...one of them will be SOPA and that ship is the one other ships follow (This is why they check each other’s date of rank)when colors is raised or struck or SOPA may order other ships to move to other berths depending on necessity, SOPA can order all shipS to set to sea in time of disorder or a bunch of reasons.... And SOPA can change if a different ship pulls in and is of a higher rank. But as others have intimidated, if it’s to be a naval operation or amphibious operation the ground guys will defer to the higher rank of the naval guys for him to lead his part of the naval operation, but when the ground guys hit the beach, they are led by their people. "Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor.” Robert A. Heinlein “You may beat me, but you will never win.” sigmonkey-2020 “A single round of buckshot to the torso almost always results in an immediate change of behavior.” Chris Baker | |||
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