I retract my statement.

Be careful judging others faith. There is only 1 that can to that, and it is the Lord himself.

Take it easy

I believe that God calls us to forgive, and that it also doesn't do any of us any good to harbor anger or hate or seek vengeance. That stuff will eat you up from the inside. That doesn't mean I'm always the best at it, but that's the ideal.

At the same time, God is a just God and has given us a desire for justice. Justice is a righteous ideal. Human vengeance is not. He established the government as a tool to carry out justice, and it's ok to hope that that system works as designed and achieves that goal. God has used far worse earthly authorities as His tools in the past, and I have faith that He can use ours as well.

You can't kill evil dead enough

Forgiveness is intentionally releasing feelings of resentment, anger, or vengeance toward someone who has harmed or wronged you.

I can let go of my feelings while still allowing them to suffer the consequences of the wrong they committed and have a clear conscience about it.

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Short youtube that defines my Christianity.

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Originally posted by Rey HRH:
I can let go of my feelings while still allowing them to suffer the consequences of the wrong they committed and have a clear conscience about it.

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Originally posted by Rey HRH:
Forgiveness is intentionally releasing feelings of resentment, anger, or vengeance toward someone who has harmed or wronged you.

I can let go of my feelings while still allowing them to suffer the consequences of the wrong they committed and have a clear conscience about it.

I agree. Do not let the anger get to you. Those that commit these various evil deeds should be imprisoned or killed, but it should be for justice not for revenge. Have no sympathy, for they deserve what may come for them.

The right as well as most sensible people have been unified by Kirks death, they need a galvanizing moment. If you want violence, that will be when you'll have it.

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Originally posted by 12131:
Forgive? No problem. Just let the government carry out justice.

This view is supported by the Bible. Although, sometimes we have a problem with the forgiveness part.

I posted this quote in the Charlie Kirk thread:

“Forgiveness is between them and God. It's my job to arrange the meeting" - John Creasy. Man on Fire.

As a Buddhist, my favorite Christian is Oliver Cromwell. I have a copy of his last prayer in a folder somewhere. The blokes over in the UK should start practicing with the pikes, halberds, long bows, and bastard swords. For historical research...

It’s a good thing and one that every good Christian should aspire to. But I never said I was a very good Christian.

"Victory attained by violence is tantamount to a defeat, for it is momentary."

"It is better to be violent, if there is violence in our hearts, than to put on the cloak of nonviolence to cover impotence."

Forgiveness is somewhat overrated. I've forgiven peoples for all kinds of transgressions over the years, and it's just never given me a warm, pleasant feeling. In our modern society, many people interpret forgiveness as a fundamental weakness.

Now.. I forgive you Bad Man

I'm a very flawed Christian. But a Christian, nonetheless. Charlie Kirk's wife quoted "forgive them, for they know not what they do..."

I have a very difficult time (impossible, actually) forgiving those who know what they do, yet do it anyway, out of pure malice and selfish ambition.

I do pray for God's will and justice to be done and surrender it to Him. Although my flesh wants vengeance and I desire to imagine the harshest pain, suffering, torture and retribution to our enemies, I, personally, have to quell those thoughts, lest The Lord turn and punish me. And I have a very distinguished list of offenders.

Romans 12:19

“Do not take revenge, my dear friends, but leave room for God’s wrath, for it is written: ‘It is mine to avenge; I will repay,’ says the Lord.”

Proverbs 24:
17 Do not gloat when your enemy falls;
when they stumble, do not let your heart rejoice,
18 or the Lord will see and disapprove
and turn his wrath away from them.

As for forgiveness. I'm not there today.

Tony.

I keep seeing “What would Charlie do?”

What would Charlie do if he saw his wife’s throat ripped out
by an assassin’s bullet? We can only guess.

Righteous anger is ok. We can’t pray ourselves out of this situation. Even Jesus had enough when he made a whip and turned over tables in the temple.