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Originally posted by BamaJeepster:

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Originally posted by sdy:
I think it is time for a new Speaker.

Who would that be?

Mark Meadows is the Chair of the 'Freedom Caucus' that consists of 29 members in the House.

<This is not being argumentative or sarcastic, I'm genuinely curious who is out there who could lead a MAJORITY of House republicans to pass legislation that could then pass the Senate>

Maybe it won't be a Titan but a more lowly member who will see how to meld the voices. They did make some progress in listening to one another toward the end of this matter.

It may have been a start to finding some who were willing to have frank but open discussions.

It was interesting that there was an agreement to change from Obamacare but this thing got tripped up in simply compromising on OR finding a policy to achieving a shared goal.

Didn't Ryan insist on a "you can't remove me as speaker" clause when he agreed to take the position?

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Originally posted by daikyu:
Didn't Ryan insist on a "you can't remove me as speaker" clause when he agreed to take the position?

If members lose confidence, it's hard to lead if too few follow.

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Originally posted by medic451:
From Mark Levin:
"RYANCARE" = "RINOCARE (Repeal In Name Only)"

LOVE IT!

I agree but he would have to voluntarily step aside and I don't see that happening anytime soon.

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Originally posted by Tubetone:

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Originally posted by daikyu:
Didn't Ryan insist on a "you can't remove me as speaker" clause when he agreed to take the position?

If members lose confidence, it's hard to lead if too few follow.

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Originally posted by daikyu:
Didn't Ryan insist on a "you can't remove me as speaker" clause when he agreed to take the position?

Yes but that is a paper tiger...

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Who would that be?

Don't have a good answer. For a leadership position like this, it is frequently difficult to predict whether an individual will be successful. But you know when you have a good one or a bad one currently serving.


Although the Speaker has historically always been an elected member of the House, the Speaker can be anyone.

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Originally posted by sdy:
Don't have a good answer. For a leadership position like this, it is frequently difficult to predict whether an individual will be successful. But you know when you have a good one or a bad one currently serving.

That's the rub - for that position you have to have someone with the respect of the whole caucus and I don't think that person exists. The republicans have withdrawn into camps and can't/won't work together.

While I would love to see a torrent of conservative legislation flowing from the House, the reality is it won't go anywhere in the Senate with only a 2 seat majority that contains 5-10 RINOs that have to be placated and a solid block of united democrats who never split their vote.

It's a sticky wicket for sure.

A couple of tweets to lighten the mood:

When Paul Ryan loses, America wins.

Today is a good day.

Today is not a good day. Will there still be this fight over tax reform? Immigration reform? The Wall? I want to see the damn thing built without Republicans getting in each other's way. We already know the Democrats will vote no on everything. That's a given.

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Originally posted by nojoy:
Today is not a good day. Will there still be this fight over tax reform? Immigration reform? The Wall? I want to see the damn thing built without Republicans getting in each other's way. We already know the Democrats will vote no on everything. That's a given.

as far as the dems are concerned this is a republican loss and it will embolden their disruptive activities. It is amazing how the republicans have control and they can't even repeal the ACA. Why are they so afraid to fire up the senates nuclear option. The democrats used it against us for nearly three years... and pay back is a bitch.

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Originally posted by gw3971:
Why are they so afraid to fire up the senates nuclear option. The democrats used it against us for nearly three years... and pay back is a bitch.

The 'nuclear option' was only implemented to eliminate filibusters on executive branch nominations and federal judicial appointments other than the Supreme Court.

The nuclear option is not an option on regular legislation, which is still subject to filibuster rules.

Pelosi went out to meet with supporters and did what they are calling a 'victory jump'. Yeah, looks like she can dunk with that vertical!

And now, a brief word from the President

I would like to see Obamacare repealed but they actually need a good replacement plan not push thru a rushed very little improved plan.

Unfortunately we didn't repeal Obamacare now we co-own it. Midterms will be interesting.

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Originally posted by midwest guy:
Unfortunately we didn't repeal Obamacare now we co-own it. Midterms will be interesting.

Hot potato, hot potato. Hopefully it in the dems hand at the end.

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Originally posted by Bisleyblackhawk:

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Originally posted by nhtagmember:
morons

seven years of Obamacare and this is the best they could do when the chips were down...

well, its still Obamacare - let it crash and burn and I hope it takes a shitload of them down with it

they had their chance and they fucked it up

next....

Amen!

^^^^^Double Amen!

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Originally posted by midwest guy:
Unfortunately we didn't repeal Obamacare now we co-own it. Midterms will be interesting.

Logic fail here.

Even if a doctor can't cure the infection, he is not to be confused with the person who infected you.

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Originally posted by joel9507:

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Originally posted by midwest guy:
Unfortunately we didn't repeal Obamacare now we co-own it. Midterms will be interesting.

Logic fail here.

Even if a doctor can't cure the infection, he is not to be confused with the person who infected you.

^^^^^Absolute truth, joel.

The fact is that the Democrats, and only the Democrats, OWN ObamaCare. If the GOPe effort that failed today had been successful, then the Republicans would own it.

But the RINOCare effort failed. So the Republicans do NOT own it.

ObamaCare is entirely owned by the Democrat Party and nobody else.

May it stay that way forever.

The ONLY SOLUTION to ObamaCare is to repeal it, eliminate it, make it nothing but a bad memory. Anything short of that is not acceptable.

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