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Originally posted by Rick Lee:
Well, those cameras are all in public places and pretty visible. So I don't have a problem with them. People need to know they have no expectation of privacy in a public space.

While you are legally correct, I think there is an invasion of what has always been assumed part of privacy when technology gets involved to be the equivalent of someone following me around everywhere I go in public. I used to be able to move around outside of my property without being closely monitored and tracked. I could be anonymous to the government until I did something flagrant.

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Originally posted by Rick Lee:
Well, those cameras are all in public places and pretty visible. So I don't have a problem with them. People need to know they have no expectation of privacy in a public space.

[Acknowledging I’m somewhat off-topic here…]


I get that. I want to know who’s paying for it (is it We the People -- as in — our tax money, or is it privately funded?), and who’s observing it?

There’s a Flock camera on the main road on my way to work. Who “owns” that one? I’m guessing it’s the city, as it’s on a utility pole (city-owned) and facing the main road. Who’s watching it? The PD? Some other agency or department?

Now. There’s one at each entrance to my local Lowe’s store (read: private, not public). Who “owns” or monitors that one? The town? Lowe’s?

Rockwell said famously, “somebody’s watching me. And I have no privacy.” I know it’s going to happen. I want to know who’s doing it and who’s funding it.

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Originally posted by wcb6092:
ICE, ICE Baby: Denver City Council Ends Car Theft Tracking System to Protect Illegal Immigrants

https://jonathanturley.org/202...-illegal-immigrants/

The Denver City Council has voted unanimously to shutter a highly successful anti-theft auto license plate tracking system. The system was not closed due to concerns about privacy or finances. It was shut down because Democratic members believed that ICE could use the data to deport illegals.

In May, the council refused to renew the $666,000 contract with Flock for camera monitors around 70 Denver intersections to screen for car theft. That system resulted in the recovery of 170 stolen cars and 300 arrests. It is also credited with key evidence in the investigation of hit-and-run and murder cases.

However, it could also be used to assist ICE, and that is all that matters. Councilman Kevin Flynn explained it is all about Trump’s election: “We know that it can help solve crime. But I think since maybe Jan. 20 of this year, those concerns are greatly heightened and have a new reality about them.”

Council member Sarah Parady added:

“We’re living in an era where just this last week, actually, an executive order came out instructing the Department of Justice and the FBI to look for reasons to prosecute local elected officials and activists who they believe are, quote, unquote, obstructing ICE enforcement. This kind of surveillance technology is a gift if you have that kind of ill intent, and the federal government has that ill intent right now.”

Mayor Mike Johnston also stated that they need to halt these arrests because “today’s environment is much different than when the pilot began in early 2024, and there are new community concerns surrounding this technology.”

The police are obviously not happy but car thieves are thrilled. If this seems utterly insane, keep in mind that this was a unanimous vote of the city council.

Well, they got this one right but for the wrong reason.

These cameras are abhorrent.

"The Maryland Man." Sounds like he is toast.

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Originally posted by vthoky:
FLOCK it.

Flock is owned by……..Flock.

And most anyone can buy a camera. But, to monitor it, you must

1) Pay
2) Have at least NCIC terminal access as prescribed by the governing body (usually the state in which you reside) or whoever in the state runs your state version of NCIC. And comply with all FBI protocols for use of NCIC.

Yessir, I’m clear on the idea that Flock owns Flock.

I’m also fairly certain that you understand my point — for a given camera, I’d like to be able to know who’s running it and soaking up the data.

And thank you for the NCIC mention.

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Originally posted by vthoky:
Yessir, I’m clear on the idea that Flock owns Flock.

I’m also fairly certain that you understand my point — for a given camera, I’d like to be able to know who’s running it and soaking up the data.

And thank you for the NCIC mention.

I don’t think you understand mine. Your question was answered above. Flock.

Right.

But a company in Atlanta doesn’t give a crap what’s happening on PF Road on the path to the landfill. They’re selling the data they gather, as you pointed out… I’m still curious about the actual end user — the party who’s paying Flock to gather it all.

I am. And people like me. Used it a bunch this week.

Flock isn’t a new concept. The idea has been around for 10 years in the various ALPR systems. But they were all proprietary and limited. For instance, we also have the Axon ALPR system. It sucks. We play mock the flawed technology with it being the wrong plate reader.

Flock has the kinks worked out. Axon and all the others are really a waste of time.

New Sheriff in town


Antifa Rioters Charged With Arson And Assault In Portland

The Trump-led DOJ has charged four individuals in connection with the violent anti-ICE riots that broke out in June in Oregon.

https://www.zerohedge.com/poli...and-assault-portland

The defendants, some allegedly caught on video, spent several weeks targeting an Immigration and Customs Enforcement facility and assaulting federal officers, prosecutors said in a press statement on Tuesday.

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Originally posted by wcb6092:
Antifa Rioters Charged With Arson And Assault In Portland

How is “violently grabbing the genitals” of three federal officers a “misdemeanor?!?”

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Originally posted by TMats:

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Originally posted by wcb6092:
Antifa Rioters Charged With Arson And Assault In Portland

How is “violently grabbing the genitals” of three federal officers a “misdemeanor?!?”

Depends, maybe he missdaweiners

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Originally posted by HRK:

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Originally posted by TMats:

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Originally posted by wcb6092:
Antifa Rioters Charged With Arson And Assault In Portland

How is “violently grabbing the genitals” of three federal officers a “misdemeanor?!?”

Depends, maybe he missdaweiners

Really?

ETA this was meant to be in addition to jljones’ response to the person he was replying to.

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Originally posted by jljones:
I am. And people like me. Used it a bunch this week.

Flock isn’t a new concept. The idea has been around for 10 years in the various ALPR systems. But they were all proprietary and limited. For instance, we also have the Axon ALPR system. It sucks. We play mock the flawed technology with it being the wrong plate reader.

Flock has the kinks worked out. Axon and all the others are really a waste of time.

I don’t think anyone actively monitors them, but they are accessed often when investigating. Can be going to a call in progress, get just a vehicle description, review FLOCK for vehicles matching that description on FLOCK cams near the call and possibly get a plate and direction of travel from the call.

I also don’t think ICE can just access local LEO FLOCK cameras. Maybe local LEO can cooperate with ICE, but in CA local LEO have been blocked from giving any info to ICE. When I worked custody years ago, ICE had an office in our jail and would interview inmates. Sometimes they’d ask us to let them know when so and so was getting released and then they’d sit in the public area outside of release and arrest/deport them once they were out of our custody.

I voted for this and I'd vote a 1,000 times more if I had to.


https://x.com/AmericaPapaBear/.../1941013697100763469

North Texas police officer injured in shooting outside ICE detention facility

https://www.star-telegram.com/...rticle310060525.html

A North Texas police officer is recovering after being shot on Friday night outside an Immigration and Customs Enforcement detention facility in Johnson County, officials said.

Officers from the Alvarado Police Department responded to the Prairieland Detention Center in the 1200 block of Sunflower Lane shortly before 11 p.m. They saw someone who appeared to be carrying a gun, according to a Facebook post by the Johnson County Sheriff’s Office.

The first responding officer tried to engage the suspect, and was immediately fired upon by multiple people. The suspects tried to run away after the shooting, but several of them were arrested. Their motive for the shooting is unclear, according to the post.

The injured officer was treated for a neck wound and released after being airlifted to Texas Health Harris Methodist Hospital in Fort Worth.

Someone with federal law enforcement told KTVT-TV on Saturday that eight suspects were arrested in connection with the incident, including some individuals dressed in body armor.

Early reports show that more than a dozen people, wearing masks and black clothing, vandalized security cameras and cars parked outside the detention facility. The group set off fireworks, apparently trying to lure officers to the scene, the source revealed to KTVT.

Multiple people were arrested in June after rioting outside an ICE facility in Portland, Oregon, Department of Homeland Security officials said. No officers were seriously injured in the incident.

United States Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche said on Saturday morning on X that the Justice Department is “closely monitoring the attacks” on ICE detention facilities. “The Department has zero tolerance for assaults on federal officers or property and will bring the full weight of the law against those responsible,” Blanche posted.

Each should be charged with terrorism. And sent to the deepest darkest hole possible. The definition fits for the federal statue.

Agreed, and these people assaulting people and public servants at these so called peaceful protests. Harsh sentences in real lock up. That will bring an end to this non sense. Seeing these people loose their freedom and throwing their lives down the drain for nothing will deter other idiots. If it doesn't then we can accommodate them too.

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Originally posted by jljones:
Each should be charged with terrorism. And sent to the deepest darkest hole possible. The definition fits for the federal statue.

Clearly the responding officers did the right thing and Jones has the right next steps. Still somehow, I can’t help thinking it might have been better if if the eight suspects had continued to resist and hadn’t survived the experience.