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Lots of extra wear and tear on the starter as well.

And the starter will be difficult to replace as well, no doubt.



On this vehicle, what is really galling is that the other side of the engine and transmission is relatively wide open.

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Originally posted by DanH:
They're OK if your car has a 48V electrical system because it's almost seamless, but it's pure trash if the automaker goes cheap .......

We had it on a car recently sold, but it could be shut off once and stay off on restart.

Recently got a '24 Merc GLE which has the mild hybrid system and like Dan mentioned, this system actually starts the motor back with the "generator" that is in the driveline. That's actually how it starts the car every time, no normal starter. It's a weird sound/sensation since the engine is just sort of "on" once you start. This tech isn't new but seems a likely high-expense item to repair, so I want it used as needed, not to improve mileage by .13MPG.

Auto start can be disabled, but do have to hit the "A" button next to start. After a bit, it's just one fluid motion each time you start......

My 2021 Jeep Gladiator has this ESS. I shut it off every time I started the vehicle. Eventually the separate battery for it died and I no longer had to disable the feature. I am glad that battery died, and I will not replace it.

got one at a rental facility and had never run across it before. Got out of the airport and onto the 405 and it promptly shut off when we stopped. I shut the car off, started up again, drove about 50 feet and it shut down.

I took it back to the rental place, told them it was defective and I wanted one that didn't turn off every time the vehicle stopped.

Its not a feature, its an abomination. I detest it and wish a pox on the bastard that thought it up.

My 2022 RAM has it. I don't see any benefit with it, but it's only bothersome in the summer when it cuts the AC compressor off. I usually turn the auto AC down to the lowest setting which keeps the truck running and disables the auto start/stop. There is a button to disable, but like others, it resets itself on restart. The only other irritating piece is when I'm ready to turn off the vehicle. When I pull into a parking spot or my driveway and stop, it shuts the engine off. When I shift to park, it turns the engine back on then I have to press the Engine Start/Stop button to shut everything down again.

My Jeep had it. I paid $100 for the auto stop eliminator. It was the best $100 mod that I ever did. It’s a little device that remembers the last position of the button. I shut it off and never messed with it again.

My wife’s RAV4 has that shitty feature. We both hate it. I wish there was an auto stop eliminator for the RAV4.

My last agency ride, a 2020 Ford Explorer, had this. I'm not a fan at all. There was a button to disable it, but annoyingly it had to be pressed every time you started the vehicle.

One of the reason that I went with a turbo CX-5 for my latest personal vehicle was because the turbo version specifically doesn't have this, while some of the NA versions do. (It also has an actual geared transmission rather than a CVT. Rare in today's market.)

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Originally posted by smschulz:
Auto Start-Stop feature

Idiot who wrote the article should get a kick in the rear. The article is titled, What Is Auto Stop-Start Technology and Is It Bad For The Engine?, and look at how he organized the headers.

1. Is Auto Start/Stop Bad For A Car Engine?

2. What is Auto-Start/Stop Technology?

3. How Does Auto-Stop/Start Work?

4. How to Disable Auto-Start/Stop Technology?

You introduced a topic that is new to a lot of readers, yours truly included, but the definition/description of what it is, you put it way down the article. What a moron.

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Originally posted by lastmanstanding:

I would never own a vehicle with that feature. I can see it becoming problematic. I would stress out wondering at every stop if the motor was going to come back to life.

I have it on my 2024 Yukon and don’t like it either. However, I suspect you will own a vehicle that has it at some point or join the crowd of those that declared they would never buy a vehicle with seat belts.

I absolutely despise this stupid nonsense. I read an article that said several European governments are thinking about removing the off button and making it permanent.

My manual Bronco has this. I leave it on. Somewhere in 5-10% fuel economy improvement for my driving. I am sorta pushing a brick through the air, so I’ll take that. I’m averaging overall between 18 and 19 mpg, not a lot of highway.

Come to light, drop to neutral and release clutch. The Bronco will decide if it needs to stop the engine (A/C, other factors, etc). As soon as I depress the clutch, it cranks right back up, no hesitation or anything.

If I don’t want it to turn off, I can defeat it with a button… or just keep the clutch pushed in. No big deal.

I have a 2015 Jeep Grand Cherokee I bought in 2017. In 2016 this misfeature was added to the JGC.

Besides the facts I love my Jeep, some feel it's the best JGC they ever made, and I put very few miles on it since I'm retired: This misfeature on newer JGCs is one reason I plan to go to my grave owning this one.

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Originally posted by sigspecops:
I read an article that said several European governments are thinking about removing the off button and making it permanent.

Of course they are

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Originally posted by Beancooker:
My Jeep had it. I paid $100 for the auto stop eliminator. It was the best $100 mod that I ever did. It’s a little device that remembers the last position of the button. I shut it off and never messed with it again.

My wife’s RAV4 has that shitty feature. We both hate it. I wish there was an auto stop eliminator for the RAV4.

Here you go:

https://www.4dtech.com/rav4-19...art-stop-eliminator/

We've one installed in our Lincoln Nautilus. Works great.

Have a local family friend with a newer Jeep Gladiator with all of this crap on it. He had a battery issue one day, jump started the jeep, and was running to the elementary school to pick up his daughter. I find him stranded in the middle of an intersection.

He stopped a bit too long at the stop sign, didn't turn off the auto stop/start function, and it shut off. With a dead battery not only would it not restart, but he couldn't (easily) shift the Jeep into neutral to let it roll because that's all electronic as well.

Electronics are great until they're not.

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
One of the worst concepts ever devised by man.

I despise that feature, to the very core of my being.

I couldn't agree more. Hate it to my core.

It's not a feature for me. I hate it.

Unfortunately, BMW disabled the ability to turn it off in my car. The only way to defeat it is by recoding. They say that since it’s a “mild hybrid”, the starter and battery are designed for the Auto Stop Start. It’s annoying, especially if you’re in a drive through or some other stop and go traffic. Doubt it even saves much for me because, in South FL, it almost immediately restarts because the a/c doesn’t run while the engine is stopped.

As I've said before, I was taught from the old school, that starting it is one of the worst things you can do to an engine.

Granted, restarting a just shut off engine is not the same thing as cold starting a "dry" engine, but it's still not something I want to do countless times a day.
It's just to pass fuel mileage requirements, but it's sort of like cheating on a test by permanently tattooing the answers on your arm.

Glad my car doesn't have it. I have driven a few cars that have it and I don't like it. I am interested to see the real-world impact of the starter and other components.

It annoys the crap out of me, and neither of our vehicles has it. This stupid feature even annoys the crap out of me if I’m at a light and the car next to me has it.

We’ve rented a few cars that had it. 1 of the 3 remembered the last state in which I left it (OFF!!) but the others had to be turned off again every dang time you drove it.

Off-topic, but some cruise control is like that in some vehicles as well. I use cruise control a lot, so vehicles where you have to turn it back on every time you drive suck, too.