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You go where your orders take you.


Exactly.
What would we think of a military doctor who was available for callup, was ordered to the White House to treat President Trump, and said, “Nope; not him. I resign”? Yeah: A rhetorical question here; drawing and quartering would be too good for him/her.

All I can say is that I’m glad some people never took the oath that includes obeying the lawful orders of the officers appointed over them.
Part of the deal of serving in the armed forces is the possibility of having to do things we don’t particularly like.




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Perhaps someone can answer some questions for me.

Can the TX governor shut down his border?

If not, why not?

If so, why in the hell has he not done it?


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I'm gonna take a SWAG and say Gov. Abbott (and Texas) stand to lose millions of Federal $$$$ if he were to do that. Guess what? IDGAF about Federal $$$$$. Shut the got-damp thing down!!!



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He can patrol the border, but that's historically been a job that exceeds the Texas Rangers' capacity. He can't actually shut down the border itself because the border is Federal, not state.
 
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Yes but the feds actually need to be there to enforce it. But once across the fence they are in Texas and they can all be charged with criminal trespass abs the feds can’t do squat about it.

The feds have tacitly decided to NOT control the border. And that’s ok but they cannot prevent a state from doing what it needs to do.

The alternative is to leave it in the hands of civilians and rifles.
 
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He can patrol the border, but that's historically been a job that exceeds the Texas Rangers' capacity. He can't actually shut down the border itself because the border is Federal, not state.
I tend to believe a governor with a monster set of stones 'could' declare a state of emergency for the state and step in and shut down the border, and call the Fed's bluff doing it. What would the alternative for the Fed's be to stop it from happening? Fight Texas LE on the ground? I think not. It would take a special kind of person to do that, and Abbott isn't that kind person to essentially defy the federal government and this president.


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The alternative is to leave it in the hands of civilians and rifles.


This phrase kind of brings back my question from a week or so ago: [I know it's easier said than done, but] couldn't some enterprising Texans (and perhaps volunteers from elsewhere) use the materials already on site and continue building the wall ourselves?

Or would the feds claim they're trespassing and kick them out? (Irony, for sure.)




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It would be interesting to test that idea out.
 
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It's believed to be the first time the French have resorted to such a move in modern times, a French official told CNN.

Yet, they're perfectly fine retaining their ambassador in both Australia and the UK. Roll Eyes Its no secret, Macron and Biden don't get along, Biden doesn't like Johnson either, yet the framework for this has been in the works for over a year.
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France stands to lose the equivalent of $65 billion US dollars from an existing deal to provide Australia with conventional, diesel-powered submarines.

The canceled deal with France, a major global weapons exporter, is expected to make a significant economic impact on the French defense sector. France also stands to lose out strategically in the Indo-Pacific, where the country holds significant interests.

Australia previously planned to acquire 12 conventional attack-class submarines from the French shipbuilder Naval Group, which successfully beat out competing German and Japanese bids in 2016.

France has been on quite a roll with defense exports the last 20-years not to mention they've got their own Afghanistan-issues as they've been involved with rooting-out Islamists in West Africa since 2013.

The Australia-submarine contract was crap from the very outset, everyone knew it; the Australians were getting bent over the barrel, in large part due to their own internal incompetence. They could've had the new Japanese Soryu submarine but the Japanese screwed it up, then the Aussies turned to the French but their own govt screwed that one up yet, they signed the deal. This one while larger, has better backing with regards to maintenance, support and a more pragmatic view of capabilities & mission.
 
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The alternative is to leave it in the hands of civilians and rifles.



Two words…


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I tend to believe a governor with a monster set of stones 'could' declare a state of emergency for the state and step in and shut down the border, and call the Fed's bluff doing it. What would the alternative for the Fed's be to stop it from happening?

For one thing, I don't think either the Texas authorities or the Feds on the border (and there are a royal ba-shitload of them) are in any hurry to physically fight with each other.

For another, everyone seems pretty clear on the separation of powers thing. What happens if California seizes it's part of the border during a Republican administration and simply leaves it open?

Only then can we talk about the manpower to control the entire border (lest the Feds open their own crossings, right?) and somehow trying to pay for it.
 
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https://americanmilitarynews.c...its-a-familiar-face/

Someone put up a dozen Joe Biden Taliban billboards near I-83 in Pennsylvania

An eye-catching billboard featuring a photoshopped image of President Joe Biden dressed as a member of the Taliban recently popped up on Interstate 83 in York County.

And a familiar face has taken credit: onetime GOP gubernatorial hopeful Scott Wagner.

“I believe the pull-out was done very badly,” he said Tuesday. “I think the president thinks he might have made a good decision but I think he made a very bad decision.”

https://youtu.be/ZuNPDjF2GAQ

The billboard, which has drawn both criticism and praise on social media, features a tongue-in-cheek slogan — “Making the Taliban Great Again!” — riffing off the familiar refrain used by both Ronald Reagan and Donald Trump.

“I think we’re going to pay for this,” Wagner said, of the recent withdraw from Afghanistan, which was also a key campaign promise of Trump. “I think probably in the form of more terrorists activities around the world and possibly this country.”

There had been some initial confusion over who paid for the billboards, even among local Republican officials but, when asked by The York Dispatch, Wagner did not try to deflect or dodge the question.

“I’m not hiding from anybody and that’s how I feel,” he said, “and I decided to put the billboards up.”

Wagner paid for more than a dozen of these billboards throughout Pennsylvania including on the Turnpike, Route 15 and in areas north of Harrisburg. Only one, a two-sided billboard near the Emigsville exit, is in York County.

The billboards were placed sometime last week, said Brian Scott, vice president of Trone Outdoor Advertising, the company that oversees the billboards.

“Listen, we stay in the middle. If people want to call up and put up a billboard like this, as long as there’s not any cuss words or slang for cuss words, you know, we will do it,” he said. “If somebody wants to call up and put a billboard up praising Joe Biden, we will do that as well. But we he haven’t gotten any phone calls to do that.”

York County Democratic Chairman Chad Baker said the billboard “is a mockery of a serious situation,” noting that both Democratic and Republican presidents have struggled with how and when to withdraw from Afghanistan.

This kind of overheated rhetoric, Baker said, does no one any good.

“While we are entitled in this country to freedom of speech,” he said, “this billboard continues to fuel the flames of vitriol and hate that has clearly stemmed from the previous administration in the White House and by many of the local state and congressional legislators.”

Wagner said he paid about $15,000 for the billboards. Someone had sent Wagner the image and he liked it, he said. He hopes that other billboards with this same image might pop up in other states, noting that people have called him asking permission to use the image.

Manchester Township Manager Timothy R. James said Tuesday that the township, where the billboard was located, wasn’t aware of the existence of the billboard.

Scott said he’s received few complaints, at least so far. Such signs are fairly routine, he noted, given the current political climate.

“I think just the state of where we are right now in the country,” he said. “I think it’s certainly sensitive and I think that’s why maybe you see it on social media as much and everything that’s going on in Afghanistan.”

(c) 2021 The York Dispatch

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Biden to address the UN today.

They tried to get the presentations done by video recordings but that didn't work out.

Now biden's "diversity" driven UN representative (Linda Thomas-Greenfield) says Biden’s attendance at the meeting would be short due to the pandemic precluding opportunities for many meetings during the General Assembly

https://pjmedia.com/columns/st...al-assembly-n1480162

amazing how biden's gaffe machine is being controlled and limited. DEMs used COVID19 to elect a president who is incompetent and mentally declining by hiding him
 
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Perhaps someone can answer some questions for me.

Can the TX governor shut down his border?

If not, why not?

If so, why in the hell has he not done it?


Governor Abbott is an absolutely feckless governor. He's been whining about Biden doing nothing to stop the invasion for months. He should be deploying the National Guard to repel them right at the border, no detainment, no processing, nothing. If need be, call other GOP governors for support. Remember back in the beginning of Zero's presidency when Governor Perry threatened to deploy his NG, and Zero was actually forced to do something?

I don't buy any argument that it is not within his purview to stop the invasion when the POTUS fails to do his duty under Article 4, Section 4 of the US Constitution. The states certainly did not sign up to join the union and then sit back while the federal government allows third world primitives to overrun their states.

Tucker Carlson's interview with TX Congressman Chip Roy a few nights ago was great and well watching the few minutes where he says Abbott should be stopping the invasion with his NG.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/...rding-this-president



 
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Biden's first border chief accuses administration of destroying security, misleading Congress

https://justthenews.com/govern...-security-misleading

In a stunningly blunt warning to senators, President Joe Biden's just-departed Border Patrol chief is accusing the administration of intentionally eroding security to bring illegal aliens into the country and misleading Congress about the severity of the crisis.

Rodney S. Scott, a 29-year career law enforcement officer who retired last month as the U.S. Border Patrol chief, wrote the Democratic and Republican leaders of the Senate and its Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee that career experts have offered numerous recommendations to slow the crisis but have been repeatedly rebuffed.

"Common sense border security recommendations from experienced career professionals are being ignored and stymied by inexperienced political appointees," Scott wrote in the letter sent earlier this month and obtained by Just the News.

"The Biden administration's team at DHS is laser-focused on expediting the flow of migrants into the U.S. and downplaying the significant vulnerability this creates for terrorists, narcotics smugglers, human traffickers, and even hostile nations to gain access to our homeland," he wrote Sens. Chuck Schumer, Mitch McConnell, Gary Peters and Rob Portmann in a letter dated Sept. 11.

You can read the full letter here: https://justthenews.com/sites/...20Rodney%20Scott.pdf

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Scott, who was appointed by President Trump and served as the first border patrol chief for Biden, declared border security has rapidly deteriorated after the enormous gains during the Trump administration. "In my professional assessment, the U.S. Border Patrol is rapidly losing the situational awareness required to know who and what is entering our Homeland," he warned.

Congress, he added, was not getting an honest picture of the vulnerabilities.

"The experienced civil service staff within CBP, ICE and DHS have provided multiple options to reduce the illegal entries and reestablish some semblance of border security through proven programs and consequences, yet every recommendation has been summarily rejected," he wrote. "Secretary Mayorkas is choosing to ignore the sound recommendations of career government leadership despite his own admissions that he agrees with them.

"Of grave concern, is the fact that the Secretary and other political appointees within DHS have provided factually incorrect information to Congressional Representatives and to the American public. Furthermore, they have directed USBP personnel to allow otherwise ineligible aliens to remain in the U.S. inconsistent with the ... established legal processes and law."

Sen. Ron Johnson (R-Wisc.), who provided a copy of the letter to Just the News, said Scott's warnings suggest "we are in a perilous moment" when it comes to security.

"He's writing a letter just talking about how the administration is lying to the American public," Johnson said in an interview to be aired Tuesday on the John Solomon Reports podcast. "They're ignoring advice from career customs and border patrol officers. They obviously ignored the advice from the outgoing administration in terms of what they do to keep the border secure. And he's just laying out this big crisis as the illegal flow is and what that is going to do to our society."

Just the News reported over the weekend the crisis at the U.S.-Mexico border is so serious that CBP has asked agents from other ports and borders to leave their posts and come south as reinforcements, a change Scott warned is creating security holes. Johnson said he is deeply troubled by the reassignments.

"There are such gaps in our border right now," Johnson said. "And when they're having to take Border Patrol off of other parts of the border to surge them into places like Del Rio, you're just opening up huge areas where people can just flow through again."


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Scott Kirby isn't about to do a 180 on his stance...he's too far up Biden's anal sphincter. But it's good to know he'll get opposition!! Consider donating to CPAC...

CPAC Letter

United's 'draconian' vaccine mandate rejects free market principles, CPAC warns
Vaccine mandate 'plays right into the hands of those who would try to nationalize airline companies,' letter warns

The Conservative Political Action Coalition warned United Airlines to abandon its "draconian" COVID-19 vaccine mandate, claiming that the mandate will enable dangerous government overreach.

CPAC addressed the letter, which the organization exclusively provided to Fox News, to United CEO Scott Kirby.

"United Airlines’ ham-handed and broad financial prosecution of its own employees, who have already had COVID or do not want to take the vaccine for religious or personal health decisions like fertility, plays right into the hands of those who would try to nationalize airline companies and move away from a democratic, representative government," the letter argues.

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More at link...



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I tend to believe a governor with a monster set of stones 'could' declare a state of emergency for the state and step in and shut down the border, and call the Fed's bluff doing it. What would the alternative for the Fed's be to stop it from happening?

For one thing, I don't think either the Texas authorities or the Feds on the border (and there are a royal ba-shitload of them) are in any hurry to physically fight with each other.

For another, everyone seems pretty clear on the separation of powers thing. What happens if California seizes it's part of the border during a Republican administration and simply leaves it open?

Only then can we talk about the manpower to control the entire border (lest the Feds open their own crossings, right?) and somehow trying to pay for it.
Guess that's why I'd make a terrible politician. I would not allow such things to happen to a state I was elected to represent. California would not be my concern as the governor of Texas. If the feds refuse to do their job protecting this country and enforcing US law, then I believe it is incumbent on the governor to develop and implement a solution. And I'm sure he could find and negotiate help/support from other governors. Squabbling about separation of powers with the human excrement in Washington can be debated later. First, the door needs to be slammed shut tight.


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As I understand it, the U.S. Supreme Court has ruled that immigration is the exclusive province of the federal government. The high court also affirmed that local law enforcement and federal law enforcement can communicate and cooperate in determining the legal status of an individual. The state can declare emergency, and I am unclear what the state can do to control the border in an emergency. There is nothing to prevent the state from building walls on state property. We are told that alerts have gone out to Texas Guard units for deployment to the border, probably in support roles to law enforcement. If the governor tells Biden KMA and the state starts prohibiting entry at the border, the feds will go to court to try to stop them. I think the border states are ready for that fight. Perhaps that is what is needed to clarify the border states' authority to protect their borders. Something's gotta give.


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If the governor tells Biden KMA and the state starts prohibiting entry at the border, the feds will go to court to try to stop them.
And just for the sake of argument, what happens if the court finds for the Feds and instructs the state to cease and desist, and the governor simply ignores the court order? What's the Fed's recourse? Personally, I can't think of anything they could really do. Everything in this country regarding the law is a very delicate balance of all the parties. I for one want to know what comes when one of those parties no longer agrees to cooperate and essentially partner with the federal government in its own demise.
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Something's gotta give.
Damn right. For border state governors to simply sit on the sidelines and allow this criminal and corrupt administration to trash the country in general and their states specifically is ridiculous.


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And just for the sake of argument, what happens if the court finds for the Feds and instructs the state to cease and desist, and the governor simply ignores the court order? What's the Fed's recourse? Personally, I can't think of anything they could really do.

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