My wife is probably a size 10, or a bit larger. She used that body to engineer and create 4 humans though so that makes her even that much more attractive to me.

Too bad the VS company and woke ladies in general can't appreciate the position of being appreciated for your physical attractiveness too.

As of a couple years ago the obesity rate in America was 42% so I guess it would be fair to consider overweight as normal. Like a lot of other things though, just because it's the norm doesn't mean it's a good thing. VS models aren't considered average women by any stretch but when people say it;s unrealistic to be that way I disagree. It's very real, it's right in front of us and I've studied it thoroughly. It takes a lot of hard work and dedication to be thin and people shouldn't be subjected to grief over their appearance any more than overweight people want to be ridiculed. I avoid the terms fat shaming and body shaming because I think they're pretty stupid terms.

No more VS Angels. A friend of mine upon being informed that "they" had taken away Elmer Fudds rifle asked me "How can it possibly get worse?!!"

I called him this afternoon and informed him of the demise of the Angels and the arrival of the angry purple haired rug muncher and friends. Poor dude sobbed. "Use to be Murica!". Indeed my friend. Regards 18DAI

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Originally posted by ZSMICHAEL:
What happened to fantasy???

Well apparently if you're not fantasizing about overweight women you're a bigot.

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Originally posted by Puckpilot78:

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Originally posted by ZSMICHAEL:
What happened to fantasy???

Well apparently if you're not fantasizing about overweight women you're a bigot.

Color me a bigot, then.

Well, I guess I wont be watching the next Victoria's Secret fashion show. What a shame. The end of an era. They were alway very enjoyable.

Maybe the advertising people found out that selling that way either wasn't working, or attitudes changed, and it's no longer working. The original paradigm counts on the fact that the majority of fat women idealize the skinny women, and want to emulate them. Maybe that's no longer the case.

I'm not close enough to the business to know for sure either way.

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Originally posted by BBMW:
The question is, who are most of their customers? I suspect the vast majority don't look like Adriana Lima. They gotta sell to who's buying.

Sort of what I mentioned in my last post is they aren’t selling to who is buying by using realistic models. We don’t buy shit for who we are. We buy shit for who we want to be. Advertising with fat girls isn’t gonna make fat girls want to buy their stuff.

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Originally posted by Hound Dog:

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Originally posted by Calif Phil:
*snip*… and plus size (obese) women.

There is NOTHING wrong with many 'plus-sized' women. They are NOT all 'obese,' either.

The standard Victoria's Secret (or Sports Illustrated, etc) model, to me, is an unattractive beanpole anorexic snob without any discernable female body features. Really, when their ribs poke out of their parchment-like skin, it reminds me of concentration camp inmates. My biggest urge when I see them is to feed them a decent meal. I happen to like 'curvy' and 'voluptuous,' women. In the fashion world, anybody over Size 0 is considered 'overweight.'

For example, I think Bernadette on Big Bang Theory is a LOT more attractive than Penny.

Now, they can keep the trans 'models' to themselves. I'm not really their target audience, anyway.

I think a lot more companies like this will commit career suicide over the next few years if we don't reverse the trends. They see what is reported in the media, and mistake that for the mainstream attitude of the majority of the country. There are a LOT more conservatives out there than the echo-chambers (try to) lead us to believe. . .

Agreed.

Let us all be honest. How many of us have wives or girlfriends who are size 2 or less? Or even size 8 or less. I think I read that the average American woman is a size 14. And size 14 is plus size to the clothes business. Not very damn many of us have women that could, based on their size alone, get work in fashion, lingerie (which uses women slightly more curvy), or even as actresses, and the older we get, the fewer it is.

Do you call your plus size girl "obese?" You don't, unless you are a jackass.

And retailers are waking up to the fact that if they appear to only have clothes for waifs they are missing a lot of business. Plus it does mess with "regular" women's heads that the fashion industry considers anyone over a size 2 to be big. I view the trend as backing away from the idea that only women 5'9" and 115 pounds are sexy is a good idea.

Likewise, advertising to trans people or lefty lesbians won't make me love Victoria's Secret, but it is no skin off my nose either.

Count me as one of the lucky ones. 3 kids. Size zero with curves. She works her butt off and eats super healthy.

There are a lot more issues with obesity than appearance. 500K+ obesity illness related deaths annually in the US. I can't even guess what the healthcare costs are annually for obesity related hospitalizations and treatment. And then there are lifestyle restrictions that can diminish your overall quality of life. Not everyone is going to look like a model - but there are numerous options and avenues available to positively impact your physical condition and appearance.

If I owned a lingerie company that was losing money, I don't think that firing the models & replacing them with trannys, lesbians, and the like would even enter my mind as a solution.

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Originally posted by Ironbutt:
If I owned a lingerie company that was losing money, I don't think that firing the models & replacing them with trannys, lesbians, and the like would even enter my mind as a solution.

"Desperate people do desperate things" Michael Brooks

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Originally posted by Tuckerrnr1:
These changes are going to make it terribly difficult to rub one out to the new catalog.

Hilarious and so true.

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Originally posted by jhe888:


I agree.

I was poking a little fun at people who will claim Coca Cola or Victoria Secret is America-hating. They are just trying to sell soda and underwear.

No, they aren’t just trying to sell soda and underwear. RC Cola and Hanes are just trying to sell soda and underwear. Coke and VS are making political statements too.

It is fair to judge someone by their friends. VS has chosen someone who unquestionably hates America as a spokesperson for their company. Now I don’t know if that means that they hate America, but it most certainly isn’t something that a company that loves America would do.

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Originally posted by Graniteguy:
I can't even guess what the healthcare costs are annually for obesity related hospitalizations and treatment.

You don't have to guess. The numbers are readily available. Estimates range from $150bn to nearly $300bn annually. Individual costs are estimated at $1500/year over those of healthy weight.

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Originally posted by Graniteguy:
And then there are lifestyle restrictions that can diminish your overall quality of life.

Indeed. I see fat/obese people and wonder "How can they live like that?" I don't mean just the appearance (though, admittedly, that's part of it), but what it does to their mobility.

I quit smoking eleven years ago. One impetus was seeing older folk walk around with portable oxygen *shudder*. I didn't want to ever have to do that. Same with the fat/obese. I see older (and sometimes not-so-older) fat/obese people with canes, walkers, and scooters and think to myself how badly I'd hate to be there.

I'm recovering from recent knee surgery. Between the damage that necessitated it and the recovery from the surgery, my mobility has been mildly impaired for about three months. It. Drove. Me. Nuts.

If you owned a lingerie company (and one big enough to have national, and maybe international, presence), you'd likely hire an advertising agency to put together your advertising campaigns. That advertising agency would do the research to figure out who the largest groups of your potential customers are. They would than likely put together focus groups of made up of these people. They would discuss with them what drives their purchases. They would expose them to multiple different advertising materials representing different advertising campaign styles, ands see which were the most effective. Then based on those results, they'd develop a broad based advertising campaign for the brand.

Another thing that's likely going on here is that they're targeting younger customers. These are much more friendly to, shall we say, alternate lifestyles, than older customers. Lately I'm seeing A LOT of advertising featuring, shall we say, non-traditional groups. There's too much of this for me to think this isn't the result of marketers doing their homework, and deciding this works.

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Originally posted by Ironbutt:
If I owned a lingerie company that was losing money, I don't think that firing the models & replacing them with trannys, lesbians, and the like would even enter my mind as a solution.

I think there's something dangerously wrong with society's general acceptance of widespread (no pun) obesity. Heart health, healthcare costs overall, individual happiness, etc, I vehemently think the answer should be much much more of encouraging healthy living as opposed to accepting a Dunlop culture.

I have a bunch of overweight relatives and friends and they're almost all unhealthy as fuck, not "living" all that well, eating too damn much, rarely exercising, and most of them consistently complain about it, and there's the ancillary costs of bad knees, hips, and so on. We seem a very unfit county, on the whole.

Now, I'm kind to them, and I love them anyway, but it's hard to watch, year after year after year, and while I agree they deserve dignity and advertising that caters to them as well, like most things woke-ish I think it goes too far, or rather we never really try hard enough to actually solve the problems of obesity.

Instead we (modern times) are trying to sell them more Diet Cokes and Low Calorie Ice Cream, or just tell them it's fine, and it's not, not really, so let's maybe find a better way than normalizing obesity itself, eh?

It IS unhealthy and it IS avoidable and fixable for a great many of those affected. This much is inarguable.

Sugar and Salt kill more folks than most causes, in a sense, and that's just crazy, really.

Also, Victoria's Secret sucks anyway.

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Originally posted by ZSMICHAEL:
What happened to fantasy???

Well apparently if you're not fantasizing about overweight women you're a bigot.

She’s got crazy eyes. Very very crazy eyes.

Run away from her fast before she cooks your bunny…

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Originally posted by 46and2:
Instead we (modern times) are trying to sell them more Diet Cokes and Low Calorie Ice Cream, or just tell them it's fine, and it's not, not really, so let's maybe find a better way than normalizing obesity itself, eh?

And also trying to sell them "better living through chemistry", as there's CERTAINLY a pill that will remedy their obesity, high BP, high Cholesterol, joint pain, bowel control, bladder control, etc., etc., etc. Simple solution is to push away from the table and get outside...

Incidentally, many, MANY eons ago, was engaged to a girl who was a size 12 (ultimately broke up before getting married). To me, she was HOT!!! My hope is to meet women who are height/weight proportional, and only I know what that is to me. What anyone else thinks...IDGAS. Live life simply...

Looks like overweight people live longer than obese people or underweight people. Maybe VS is onto something.

https://www.webmd.com/diet/new...people-live-longer#1

Study: Overweight People Live Longer
But Extreme Underweight, Obesity Linked to Earlier Death

June 25, 2009 -- There is more evidence that people who are overweight tend to live longer than people who are underweight, normal weight, or obese.

In a newly published study, people who were underweight and those who were extremely obese died the earliest.

People who were overweight, but not obese, actually lived longer than people whose weight was considered normal, based on body mass index (BMI).

The research is not the first to suggest that those who carry a little, but not too much, extra weight tend to survive longer than people who don't.

CDC researchers found the same thing in a widely reported study published in 2005, and last month a separate group of investigators reported that overweight heart patients live longer than lean ones.

The Obesity Paradox
It is becoming known as the "obesity paradox," but this is something of a misnomer. That's because few studies have linked obesity with longer life.

Rather, the studies generally suggest that people with a BMI of 25 to 29.9 -- which is considered overweight but not obese -- have a survival advantage over people with higher or lower BMIs.

BMI, which is a measure of body fat based on a person's height and weight, is used to classify people into weight categories -- underweight, normal weight, overweight, and obese.

Based on BMI scores, a 5-foot, 5-inch adult would be considered:

Underweight at 110 pounds or less (BMI <18.5)
Normal weight at 111 to 149 pounds (BMI = 18.5-24.9)
Overweight at 150 to 179 pounds (BMI = 25-29.9)
Obese at 180 to 210 pounds (BMI = 30-34.9)
Extremely obese at 211 pounds or more (BMI = 35 or greater)

Just a reminder with an update on MR that could be a problem for her.