Do we need to start a firearms relief program?

"For $1/day, you can make difference in the life of a white South African...."

Come on 3D printing technology!

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“Section 24 of the Act requires that any person who seeks to renew a licence must do so 90 days before its expiry date Section 28 stipulates that if a firearm licence has been cancelled‚ the firearm must be disposed of or forfeited to the state. A 60-day time frame was placed on its disposal, which was to be done through a dealer.”

How is this gun confiscation? According to the article, the court ruled it unconstitutional to require a permit holder to renew prior to 90 days of expiration. How does this not favor the gun owner?

On to section 28: It says that if a permit is cancelled, they have 60 days to turn it in or render it useless/disposed. Also overturned by the court.

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The Constitutional Court of South Africa recently ruled that 300,000 gun owners must turn in their firearms.

If the court ruled this, I'd think the author of this article would have included a link to this ruling, not the other.

This article smells...

...because a gov't run by corrupt thieving bigoted politicians would never distort current law to fit an agenda...


Personally, I don't know what to think. When gov't is corrupted by Leftism, nothing you see, nothing they tell you, nothing you hear can be trusted for truth. One must simply watch events unfold. When guns are confiscated you'll know what's up.....by then it will be too late.

No doubt. But this article, though posted on zerohedge, is actually written and published on a site called "gunpowdermagazine.com". Apparently somebody owed someone a favor. The grammar alone is enough to question this article.

But lets panic based on facts and factual reporting, and not conspiracy websites.

I think it's prudent to consider the source but not to knee jerk dismiss it. Which publication broke the Lewinsky blue dress? Was it any less true?

Spelling? I don't think they teach that anymore nor are there editors as we enjoyed in yesteryear.

The Constitutional Court ruled that the licencing procedure was valid.
The problem comes in that there are by all accounts 430 000 plus expired licences out there. These are pretty much people who just haven't even attempted to renew.

The renewal process is supposed to be a formality. You just state that your reasons and circumstances are unchanged, but there again people get turned down for no valid reason.

In theory one should then be able to dispose of the weapon either as a private sale or to a dealer who can then either hold it for you whilst you reapply for the weapon as per a new application or sell it on to a third party.
The police have tried a hard line whereby they are refusing to allow the dealers to take the weapons onto dealer stock or to allow the owner to do a private sale. They want people to hand the firearm in directly to the SAP for zero compensation. Needless to say, nobody is prepared to do this. The constitution as it stands also prohibits the arbitrary deprivation of property.
Thousands of firearms were handed in when the Act first came in play and were supposed to be destroyed. Over 1 200 were sold illegally in one case alone by corrupt police to gangsters on the Cape Flats.
Right now there's a court order whereby the SAPS have been interdicted from demanding that persons with firearms with expired licences, surrender such firearms.
The firearm registry is also in a total mess that i don't know if they could even trace everybody. As an aside, the police are only 150 00 strong.

Rand Tumbles As Government Warns Of "Catastrophe" Unless 'Land Reform' Allowed

In a barrage of headlines that sparked chaos in FX algo markets, The South African government proclaimed proudly that it is opposed to illegal land grabs (sparking a rally in the rand) before humans realized that this is mere statement of fact and that the entire reason for this process is to 'legalize' land grabs through reform.

As Deputy President David Mabuza said, the nation will “slide into catastrophe” if land reform doesn’t take place.

“The majority of our people are poor and homeless,” he told lawmakers in Cape Town Thursday.

“Our resources to carry out reform are limited.”

And the reaction is now getting real as the Rand nears two-week lows once again...

Notably, the rand is behaving more erratically this month than it did during the height of the power struggle between Jacob Zuma and Cyril Ramaphosa in December. The rand’s one-month historical volatility is now at its highest level since December 2016 and the currency is headed for its worst August performance against the dollar on record, on track for a 9 percent drop.

As Bloomberg notes, President Cyril Ramaphosa has embraced land expropriation without compensation as a means to achieve equality and racial justice, and in a bid to steal a march on populist opponents before elections in 2019. A planned amendment to the constitution is still a work in progress, with public hearings on the matter concluding next month.

Yesterday saw UK PM Theresa May confirm her support of Ramaphosa's "land reforms" as long as they're legal...

"The UK has for some time now supported land reform that is legal and transparent and generated through a democratic process. I discussed it with President Ramaphosa during his visit to Britain earlier this year and will discuss it with him again later today," she said.

"I welcome the comments that President Ramaphosa has already made, bearing in mind the economic and social aspects of it. I think he's made some comments that it won't be a smash and grab approach. I think there's an opportunity to unlock investment."

And today, The IMF also backed "land reforms" as long as they are "rules based."

The IMF's senior resident representative in South Africa Montfort Mlachila told Reuters that the reform must not damage farm output to ensure South Africans continue to have reliable food supplies.

President Cyril Ramaphosa has said the ruling African National Congress (ANC) plans to change the constitution to allow the expropriation of land without compensation, as most of it is still owned by members of the white minority.

“We are in full support of the need to undertake land reforms in order to address the issues of inequality,” Mlachila said in an interview.

“There is need to have a transparent, rules-based, and constitutional process that leads to desirable outcomes. It is particularly important not to undermine agricultural production and food security.”

The question is - who sets the rules, because it is certainly not the market.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news...-land-reform-allowed

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President Cyril Ramaphosa has embraced land expropriation without compensation as a means to achieve equality and racial justice, and in a bid to steal a march on populist opponents before elections in 2019. A planned amendment to the constitution is still a work in progress, with public hearings on the matter concluding next month.

So... in other words, if the ANC (read commie congress) votes on it, it's legal.



But... I think even many of those who want to take the land from the white farmers know they will starve after the knowledge and expertise of those farmers is gone...

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“There is need to have a transparent, rules-based, and constitutional process that leads to desirable outcomes. It is particularly important not to undermine agricultural production and food security.”

Is There A Plan In South Africa To Take White Farms And Kill White Farmers?

Sat, 09/01/2018

Authored by Dr. Don Boys, op-ed via The Daily Caller,

President Trump was not wrong about the South African land-grab, according to the South African Institute of Race Relations (SAIRR), a liberal think tank. SAIRR said that the Trump had exposed the “damage” the policy was doing.

He did not, however, expose the extent of the damage. Nor the intent.

The current President of South Africa wrote an article for London’s Financial Times just two weeks ago defending the acquisition of land from white farmers by black South Africans without compensation:

“This is no land grab; nor is it an assault on the private ownership of property. The ANC has been clear that its land reform programme should not undermine future investment in the economy or damage agricultural production and food security.”

It seems in this era of words not having any valid meaning that bad is good, war is peace, weakness is strength, and up is down. But thievery is still thievery even if done by government.

The Agri SA agricultural union in Pretoria, South Africa, released new figures that reveal black criminal gangs have killed one white South African farmer every five days so far this year! Is this “only” random crime taking place in a troubled and dark land or a plan to drive all farmers off their land by intimidation?

South African officials suggest that these killings are only “burglaries gone wrong” but informed and honest people (black and white) know the truth. The government stopped accounting for such deaths since it is too embarrassing. Hence, “burglaries gone wrong” headlines result in less negative press than “another white farm family wiped out by roaming black thugs.”

The head of Genocide Watch, Dr. Gregory Stanton in 2012 conducted a study in South Africa and came to an incredible conclusion: “There is a coordinated campaign of genocide being conducted against white farmers.” Many of the Whites surrendered their guns when the African National Congress (ANC) government passed gun laws to confiscate the farmers’ weapons.

Genocide Watch said, “Disarmament of a targeted group is one of the surest early warning signs of future genocidal killings.”

The South African government currently estimates there are 31 murders per 100,000 people per year, which comes out to about 50 per day. Outside groups suggest that it is double that! No one knows for sure because the ANC banned crime statistics from being accumulated, analyzed, and admitted because they scare off foreign investment and drive people out of the country. Does anyone blame people for their concern and fear?

The London Daily Mail, April 28, 2017, reported, “Unemployment is 90 percent in some townships, and riots–described as ‘service delivery protests’ by the ANC–are so widespread and frequent they barely get reported.” So, the numbers are as suspect as Bill Clinton’s vow of chastity.

Political leaders, however, are determined to take the farms from white farmers and intimidate others into acquiescence to make up for perceived and real discrimination under white administrations.

The nation’s leading politicians are involved in this genocide of Whites as their words and actions clearly prove.

President Zuma in 2012 was caught on tape singing,

“We are going to shoot them with the machine gun, they are going to run/You are a Boer, we are going to hit them, and you are going to run/shoot the Boer.”

His followers may be stupid and Communist, but their protest signs scream the same message: “Kill the Boer! Kill the Farmers!”



Julius Malema, far-left leader of the Economic Freedom Fighters (EFF) charged that all whites are criminals and the ANC Youth League was going to take all the white farmers’ land without compensation. Big problem here apart from the organized thievery: the Rural Development and Land Reform Minister told Parliament that more than half of the farms that were purchased for black farmers by the government had either failed or were failing!

When Zimbabwe did the same thing in 1999–2000, it was followed by massive famine and astronomical inflation where hamburgers at the capital city of Harare sold for fifteen million Zimbabwe dollars.

Free housing, free college tuition, single-payer healthcare, doubling the welfare state and the minimum wage is the dream and plan of the leftists in the EFF. The EFF is the third largest political party in South Africa led by Julius Malema who said at a rally, “Go After A White Man…We Are Cutting The Throat Of Whiteness!”

Malema declared, “Through land expropriation, we are forcing white people to share the land which was gained through a crime against the humanity of black and African people.” They are not sharing the land; it is being taken from them by force and they did not acquire the land via a “crime.”

Malema said the time for “reconciliation is over.”

News24 quoted him saying, “Now is the time for justice.” He told the Parliament, “We must ensure that we restore the dignity of our people without compensating the criminals who stole our land.”

One cannot restore what never was, so restoring dignity will not happen. Watch the daily activities of their Parliament to know what I mean. Plus, ANC leaders having witch doctors living in their homes giving advice about abortion and how to enlarge a penis, etc., does not add to one’s dignity or credibility!

And of course, the white farmers did not steal anyone’s land. Much of it has been in the same families for generations and others are paying high-interest payments while working literally from daylight to dark in order to make their payments.

Malema promised, “Only death will stop us, not Trump, not sanction, not all of them. We know the consequences that are coming.”

So do I! I’ve seen this movie before starring Robert Mugabe with a supporting cast of grasping, ghastly, gloomy Communists filmed on location in Zimbabwe just next door to South Africa.

Few informed people doubt that South Africa, like many African nations, is headed into total chaos; but are the murders a part of the strategy to totally eliminate the white farmers?

In an interview with TRT World News, Julius Malema said, “We have not called for the killing of white people. At least for now. I can’t guarantee the future.” When the reporter mentioned that some people might view these remarks as a call to genocide, Malema responded, “Crybabies. Crybabies,” but later warned white South Africans that “the masses are on board” for “an un-led revolution and anarchy.”

That dude should not be in Parliament but in prison.

A widely reprinted letter that originally appeared in the Business Day newspaper also highlighted the feelings of despair. “South Africa is in a serious moral crisis. We are a violent society disintegrating by the day. Ghastly murders are committed daily,” wrote Farouk Araie from Johannesburg. “We have become delusional. Forgetting that life is absolutely intrinsic and inviolable, our country is awash with demonic monsters in human garb, savages fit only for the wild, and satanic beasts ill-equipped for civil society.

“One child raped every three minutes, three children murdered each day,” Araie added. “We are sliding towards the edge of the abyss and our people are crying out for sanity to prevail.”

Approximately half-a-million rapes occur on an annual basis, of which only one-in-nine are reported. This amounts to 132.4 rapes per 100,000 people per year, far and away the highest total in the world. And for every 25 men brought to trial for rape, only one is convicted.

A study conducted by the Medical Research Council, for example, found that more than one in four South African men — 27.5 percent — admitted to having raped at least one woman or girl. Almost half of those said they had raped multiple victims. Another survey by the same organization later found that 37.4 percent of men admitted to perpetrating a rape with more than one in four women saying they had been raped.

The South African ANC government gave whooping cheers for Zimbabwe when they stole white farms and the world watched as Zimbabwe spiraled into anarchy, murder, and rape, destroying their economy.

The dangerous policies in South Africa have resulted in Whites fleeing the country, chaos in the streets, debased currency, and job losses while manufacturing output has stumbled, the rand is in a freefall, and people have slowed their spending either because of unemployment or fear of the future.

When the South African economy grinds to a halt under the leadership of black Reds; when the treasury has been looted and funds safely stored in secret Swiss bank accounts; when crops rot in the fields and inoperable tractors stand rusted and idle; when the phones, johns, elevators, and trains refuse to work; when the banks, insurance companies, and mines have been nationalized; when whites have fled the nation or have been butchered in Mau-Mau type uprisings; and when the dream of black rule has turned into a nightmare; then will the busy-body globalists in Britain, Canada, and the U.S. be satisfied?

I think not — because their attention will be focused on some other “noble” cause. Globalists have almost choked on many an African bone but they usually cough it up, spit it out, and grab another one.

Sanctimonious liberals never learn and they have a compulsion to feel noble. Honest people have a compulsion for truth even though it stings at times and it’s a truth, a stinging truth, that the legally chosen government in South Africa is stealing white farms and has plans to decimate white families.

Their own words testify to that tragic truth. And truth does set one free.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news...d-kill-white-farmers

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As I and several others here have said, get private possessions worth keeping out NOW. Make preparations to make property as unusable as possible. Be prepared to get out on a moments notice leaving a scorched earth behind.

Be prepared to commit extreme violence if the "home invaders" come calling. Don't let a single one get free to tell their side of the story; you know who will be believed.

Sell off all livestock and produce for usable cash ASAP.

Cut wires to well pumps and fill them in with concrete.

Drain oil from machinery and run it until it seizes up.

Be ready to literally walk away, tossing a fusee into gas soaked structures.

The only white farmers that will be allowed to remain, for whatever reason, will be living on borrowed time, and their safety will erode on a daily basis. They might be labeled racists for cutting and running, but they'll be alive. The clock is ticking.

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Originally posted by gearhounds:
Be prepared to get out on a moments notice leaving a scorched earth behind.

I would bet that anyone doing that will be hunted down, charged with some sort of mass genocide crimes and given a world wide stage to be vilified. The notion that white South Africans are pure evil has been crammed into the planet's head for a very long time. Blood lust and out of control mobs are favorite tools of lefty puppet masters.

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When the South African economy grinds to a halt under the leadership of black Reds; when the treasury has been looted and funds safely stored in secret Swiss bank accounts; when crops rot in the fields and inoperable tractors stand rusted and idle; when the phones, johns, elevators, and trains refuse to work; when the banks, insurance companies, and mines have been nationalized; when whites have fled the nation or have been butchered in Mau-Mau type uprisings; and when the dream of black rule has turned into a nightmare; then will the busy-body globalists in Britain, Canada, and the U.S. be satisfied?

No. They will claim it wasn't applied properly, or that if they'd only done A, B, or C it would have turned out differently - all the while celebrating the result; knowing that is exactly how they wanted it to turn out.

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Originally posted by gearhounds:
As I and several others here have said, get private possessions worth keeping out NOW. Make preparations to make property as unusable as possible. Be prepared to get out on a moments notice leaving a scorched earth behind.

Be prepared to commit extreme violence if the "home invaders" come calling. Don't let a single one get free to tell their side of the story; you know who will be believed.

Sell off all livestock and produce for usable cash ASAP.

Cut wires to well pumps and fill them in with concrete.

Drain oil from machinery and run it until it seizes up.

Be ready to literally walk away, tossing a fusee into gas soaked structures.

The only white farmers that will be allowed to remain, for whatever reason, will be living on borrowed time, and their safety will erode on a daily basis. They might be labeled racists for cutting and running, but they'll be alive. The clock is ticking.

It's not worth the effort, imo. Nothing that anyone does to spite the commies will have any effect whatsoever.

Just walk away. Live. Leave and live. Sell what you can and leave.

Life is more important than anything and the commies will ruin everything anyway. If you leave a well or machine full of concrete, they'll just use the power of force to compel someone to build a new machine or dig a new well. Their farming will suck and people will starve either way.

Life is better. Leave and live.

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Originally posted by Ripley:

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Originally posted by gearhounds:
Be prepared to get out on a moments notice leaving a scorched earth behind.

I would bet that anyone doing that will be hunted down, charged with some sort of mass genocide crimes and given a world wide stage to be vilified. The notion that white South Africans are pure evil has been crammed into the planet's head for a very long time. Blood lust and out of control mobs are favorite tools of lefty puppet masters.

They’re only entitled to steal the land, not the bought and paid for property. That is the owners to do with what they please. What I couldn’t sell, I would absolutely make unusable for these locusts.

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Originally posted by gearhounds:
As I and several others here have said, get private possessions worth keeping out NOW. Make preparations to make property as unusable as possible. Be prepared to get out on a moments notice leaving a scorched earth behind.

Be prepared to commit extreme violence if the "home invaders" come calling. Don't let a single one get free to tell their side of the story; you know who will be believed.

Sell off all livestock and produce for usable cash ASAP.

Cut wires to well pumps and fill them in with concrete.

Drain oil from machinery and run it until it seizes up.

Be ready to literally walk away, tossing a fusee into gas soaked structures.

The only white farmers that will be allowed to remain, for whatever reason, will be living on borrowed time, and their safety will erode on a daily basis. They might be labeled racists for cutting and running, but they'll be alive. The clock is ticking.


It's not worth the effort, imo. Nothing that anyone does to spite the commies will have any effect whatsoever.

Just walk away. Live. Leave and live. Sell what you can and leave.

Life is more important than anything and the commies will ruin everything anyway. If you leave a well or machine full of concrete, they'll just use the power of force to compel someone to build a new machine or dig a new well. Their farming will suck and people will starve either way.

I hope that I would be smart enough to just walk away. But I would probably try to defend home and hearth. I would bring as much force as I could to any confrontation.

I was watching Farmlands and getting out was brought up and one woman explained, "it takes close to $300k to immigrate, not many people can afford that".

I feel for them and hope most can get out with their lives. While standing up to the Zombie hordes sound cool, they cannot win when they are outnumbered the way they are.

Watch Farmlands or read anything on the later years in Rhodesia....and remember the Rhodesian whites had the government behind them.

Hell, most SA people I have worked with would get along quite well in the southern and southwestern states, both in skillset and attitude...bring them here and stick them in AZ and NM or WTX.

I have lived in E Africa and spent time in other sub-Saharan countries it is a Beautiful and wonderful place....I want to go back someday, but Africa will never be tamed and it will never be fully civilized....maybe that's part of it's draw.....

Why did so many Jews not leave Germany before it was too late?

If it were coming down to a land seizure with no compensation, I'd salt the earth and burn everything. Fuck em. Starve.

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Originally posted by Veeper:

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Originally posted by gearhounds:
As I and several others here have said, get private possessions worth keeping out NOW. Make preparations to make property as unusable as possible. Be prepared to get out on a moments notice leaving a scorched earth behind.

Be prepared to commit extreme violence if the "home invaders" come calling. Don't let a single one get free to tell their side of the story; you know who will be believed.

Sell off all livestock and produce for usable cash ASAP.

Cut wires to well pumps and fill them in with concrete.

Drain oil from machinery and run it until it seizes up.

Be ready to literally walk away, tossing a fusee into gas soaked structures.

The only white farmers that will be allowed to remain, for whatever reason, will be living on borrowed time, and their safety will erode on a daily basis. They might be labeled racists for cutting and running, but they'll be alive. The clock is ticking.

It's not worth the effort, imo. Nothing that anyone does to spite the commies will have any effect whatsoever.

Just walk away. Live. Leave and live. Sell what you can and leave.

Life is more important than anything and the commies will ruin everything anyway. If you leave a well or machine full of concrete, they'll just use the power of force to compel someone to build a new machine or dig a new well. Their farming will suck and people will starve either way.

Life is better. Leave and live.

I wouldn't go to those efforts. The new occupants will strip and destroy everything of value as has been shown in most handed-over properties to date.

The process is starting to run out of control in any case as these black landowners found out.
https://www.businesslive.co.za...ainst-farm-invaders/

The whole question of getting out is a perennial topic of conversation over here. The SA economy has been stagnating for a very long time but is worsening at an ever increasing rate and ultimately this is the real reason for all of this nonsense.
If you tried to bail now you'd probably take at least a 20% smack on your assets, if you were lucky, and for property you'll have to wait possibly nine months or longer to find a buyer.

When you've put everything together, divide it by between 15 and 20 and you'll see how little you really have to move to another country. By way of comparison, the Big Mac Index would suggest a dollar exchange rate of around 5.5 to one, not the current 15 to 1.

The whole issue has been simmering for decades. Here's a good read on the failure of land restitution published back in 2004. It reads just the same as if it was written yesterday.
http://greatsalandscandal.blogspot.com/