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I agree with your assessment; however, since whites will be blamed in your scenario (this blame for ignorant savages being somehow unable or unwilling to work the land successfully will be universally agreed upon), you might as well get the satisfaction of being the one to erase your family's life work. This in lieu of watching said ignorant savages accomplish the same thing in only a bit more time. Drain oil out of all machinery, pumps, generators, etc, sugar the fuel and run engines until they seize. Plug all wells/pipes with as much concrete as they can hold. Strip as much electrical support from farms as humanly possible. Place notes on empty safes (locked shut, of course) about the gold, diamonds, and other riches within. Said riches should include as many venomous creatures as one can collect on short notice. There are dozens of ways the new landholders could be welcomed to their expected lives of prosperity. “Remember to get vaccinated or a vaccinated person might get sick from a virus they got vaccinated against because you’re not vaccinated.” - author unknown | |||
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It's not the Alamo yet. If you go back to the original post, all that has been decided is that a Parliamentary committee will look into whether the Constitution needs to be amended to allow for Expropriation Without Compensation (EWC). The whole story gets complicated as there are a lot of underlying issues at play. The 1913 Land Act basically forced Africans off land they had previously owned and reduced them to tenant status. Post WW2 Apartheid legislation further reduced their rights to even own property and forcibly had them removed from properties that they legally owned. So yes, there was a lot of injustice. However, the ANC has been running the country for the last quarter century and they have had ample time and the tools to resolve the problem. A Land Claims commission was set up for people who had been historically dispossessed to lodge a claim. To date, due to Govt incompetence, very few of these claims have been settled. Also, the process was reopened under far vaguer guidelines to allow pretty much any opportunist to claim whatever. Of the claims that have been paid out, something like 80% of claimants have opted for cash as opposed to getting their historical land back. In almost every case where the Govt. has expropriated farms and handed them over for farming, the farms have collapsed. Also, there's no deep yearning to be a subsistence farmer. The ANC under Zuma has also looted the country at a rate that defies belief. Almost 750 Billion by some estimates. As a result their popularity has taken a dive, hence the populist rhetoric. When Ramaphosa got in as ANC President (as the preferred moderate candidate) he did so by a wafer-thin margin over the faction that presided over all of this looting. The EWC resolution was the outcome of a whole load of unsavory compromises. The ANC wriggle is that EWC will only cover farmland and only if it doesn't compromise productivity. On the far left of this morass you have Julius Malema of the Economic Freedom Fighters (EFF) as they style themselves. Julius was once head of the ANC Youth League and a big fan of the whole Jacob Zuma corruption/ state capture story. At one time. Anyway he and Zuma had a falling out and he got expelled and started the EFF. They got 6% of the vote almost overnight and turned into the ANC's biggest critics. They're also a bunch of racist thugs with an extreme anti-white socialist agenda. Their version of EWC is full nationalization of everything including private property. They make for great clickbait and as a result get an inordinate level of attention. Lastly, a huge swath of SA land is owned by the State or is tribal land. Under the EFF proposal the rural African will continue to be a serf on land that he cannot leverage. ie Soviet Russia. The Black middle class will then find their inspirational ambitions sunk as well. Rural Chiefs currently hold huge sway as they allocate who gets land. Under EWC they lose out which will almost certainly lead to violence. They also provide the bulk of the ANC support As SIG4EVA pointed out, the country is signatory to various international treaties that prohibit arbitrary confiscation. Realistically this whole thing will drag out for years, there are just too many agendas. I will also say unfortunately, there is also a desire in certain quarters just to stick it to the whites. If you can't lift yourself up, best to drag everybody down. See also: The best way of showing displeasure over late trains is to burn the station. Hijacking the train has also happened. In answer to your question, I work from home so I'm not tied to any geographic location. It's just that if the economy tanks, my salary is in Rand, which is a problem. I was in the US last month and you realise just how bad your money is. I'm also eligible for UK citizenship if it becomes necessary. On the firearm side I'm pretty well stocked. I saw earlier on the thread,a mention of Gatewaypundit saying how people have been disarmed. Don't believe it. Those old licences that were supposed to be invalid. They're still valid, firearm owners took the govt. to court. 7 years later it still hasn't been finalised. Other legislation is still pending after 15 years.Against this backdrop, EWC legislation has a long journey ahead of it. Under the old firearms act, it was pretty much impossible to get semi-auto rifles. So the new act comes in with a whole load of threats as to what will happen if you don't re-licence. A lot of people just ignored it. A lot did surrender weapons rather than go through the hassle. My boss handed in a new HK P7 and Beretta 92 for nothing. For the most part though, the guns surrendered were Browning .25's, 38 Rossi's etc. But, the new act created new "dedicated" categories of ownership for sporting, hunting and collecting and at that point the floodgates opened. Pretty much everything from Barrett 82's to M&P 15-22's came in and got licenced. An acquaintance of mine in short order collected a DD4, a G3, an AK and several Glocks. The country's still worth a visit, at least for now and the exchange rate is really favourable  | |||
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Are there any charities or organizations one can donate to in order to help white South Africans repatriate to friendly countries? Thank you President Trump. | |||
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I don't disagree that in the longer view, they'll be in the same sewer regardless of whether I gave it a head start. I just believe that I would sleep better (in my new adoptive country, wherever that ended up being) when I could imagine someone realizing the well, she broke, water tastes like kerosene, fertilizer and old motor oil. Or the house, no a/c 'cause I went all Memphis on 'em and stole the copper, or the tractor runs like poo poo when the tires are burnt off. Things like that make a man sleep soundly at night, y'dig....? ________________________________________________ "You cannot legislate the poor into freedom by legislating the wealthy out of freedom. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving." -Dr. Adrian Rogers | |||
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Thanks for the clarifications. All I can say is: Wow, what a clusterfuck  "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system,,,, but too early to shoot the bastards." -- Claire Wolfe "If we let things terrify us, life will not be worth living." -- Seneca the Younger, Roman Stoic philosopher | |||
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Thats what Hillary and Bernie lovers would like to do here. Take everything from the evil white people and give it to illegals, minority's, refugees and any other global POS. The people in the US better wise up before it's to late for them. | |||
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I think if I lived there I would be transferring my accounts, and relocate out of that shithole. ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ | |||
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If they force the landowners to give up the land then they get the land, not all the structures and equipment on the land. Start from scratch and print some funny money to rebuild and see how that works. Let them learn what it takes to grow and harvest food and see what happens when stupidity takes over. | |||
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Are they going to allow the white South Africans to come to the U.S. , and will they be given all of the government freebies that the illegals are getting now ? | |||
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They've been getting reparations in the form of a monthly check for the past 50 years. ________________________________________________________ "Great danger lies in the notion that we can reason with evil." Doug Patton. | |||
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Maybe, just maybe a handful will step up and figure out what it takes to get things up and running. It's not like the info and tech they would need isn't readily available. Everyone else will be back where they started or worse and in need of oppressors to blame. So the new boss will be the same as the old boss, color notwithstanding, and the whole lot will need turning upside down again. Set the controls for the heart of the Sun. | |||
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How are thing going, sigamt? “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it.”—H.L. Mencken | |||
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Sigamt thanks for your on the scene POV. We will be traveling to SA in about a month to see it while we can. I hear it's a beautiful country... ------------------ Eddie Our Founding Fathers were men who understood that the right thing is not necessarily the written thing. -kkina | |||
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This doesn't look good. Steps to gun confiscation Please please please, any SA brothers and sisters, please consider leaving. (Come to West Michigan if you have to and I'll do my damn best to get you employed and housed.) “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it.”—H.L. Mencken | |||
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"South Africa should serve as a fair warning to Americans of the dangerous consequences gun control poses." ____________________ | |||
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SIGAMT, if you need to, I'll put you up, even if it means housing an undocumented, dispossessed refugee who I'll claim is a child. If churches can do it for illiterate, unskilled non-English speaking members of MS13... well what is good for the GDCs is good enough for me too. Nice is overrated "It's every freedom-loving individual's duty to lie to the government." Airsoftguy, June 29, 2018 | |||
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Wow. If I was a white farmer I would flee. "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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Hi smlsig, I haven't referred back to this thread since I posted. I see from the date that you've probably already visited and returned from your trip to SA. If so, I hope that you enjoyed it. If you haven't been yet, feel free to contact me if you need any assistance with planning or information. If you're in Jhb at all and have some spare time, lmk. I'll buy you a drink. | |||
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Hi Veeper, Apologies for my belated reply and thank you for asking. In answer to your question and by way of reply to your post "Steps to gun confiscation", things are not looking good. Since I commented last, there have been a couple of ominous developments. The court case mentioned, was a ruling by the Constitutional Court (US: Supreme Court) regarding the legality of the renewal process. Essentially the Court took a very narrow view and ruled that the entire process was entirely legal and on expiry of your licence, your possession of the weapon is illegal, assuming you haven't applied to have the licence renewed. It was also stated that firearm ownership is a privilege, not a right, and therefore needs to be carefully controlled for the greater good. To give you some background on the whole setup, firearm ownership in SA has always been regulated. You have to show "need" and motivate accordingly. "Need" is also not clearly defined and so is subject to endless subjectivity and bias. Anyway, under the old act, you had what was known as the "Green Licence" from the colour. This licence was valid for the lifetime of the holder. The new act comes along. Essentially all green licences have to be re-applied for in terms of the new act. You are limited to a maximum of four firearms, of which only two may be handguns and a maximum of 200 rounds per weapon. A "Dedicated" class of hunter, collector, or sportsman was created, which is exempt from these restrictions. One also had to possess a competency certificate for the class of firearm that you own. Eg shotgun, handgun, rifle. So, for those who owned more than the maximum and didn't belong to an accredited dedicated association, you had to dispose of the excess. Your choice was to either surrender it to the police for zero compensation or hand it in to a gun dealer. The dealers were offering zero at the time. They'd take it in but they weren't going to pay you out as there was no certainty that they'd be able to sell the stuff later. The entire process was kept as confusing as possible so when you re-applied, on your motivation, you don't know whether to treat it as a renewal or as an original application. The process did what I think it was intended to do. A lot of people just handed in and walked away. Other owners then took the govt. to court to get the process stopped and also to demand compensation. The end result of this was that compensation was offered but capped at ZAR500 for a handgun and ZAR1000 for a rifle. On average, less than 10% of typical value. If you handed in a GBP50K Purdey, then R1000 was all that was offered. Where we currently sit is that if you have the green licence and you did not partake in the renewal process then that licence is still valid. If you re-licenced in terms of the new act and that licence has expired, then the weapon is illegal. Obviously this applies to a new weapon licenced under the new act. Right now there are roughly 430 00 people who have expired "new" licences. A self-defence licence is only valid for 5 years, all others, 10-years. The problem right now is that the police are refusing to allow the expired licence-holders to either renew or re-apply for their weapon BUT are also refusing the dealers permission to take these weapons onto their stock for resale. Your choice is either hand in for zero or hold onto it, hope that you don't have to use it and be made an example of, and hope that some solution is worked out. The easiest is to allow the dealers to take the weapon for resale. At the moment, there is a lot of trade going on, so you will get a buyer, but the police won't permit this. Supposedly some or other compromise is to be worked out. Who knows. Taking a step back, the SA Constitution is supposedly one of the best in the world. Amongst a whole list of rights is that you cannot be arbitrarily deprived of property. As you can see from the above, it's actually very easy. As an aside, a few years back I purchased a couple of semi-auto rifles as a dedicated sport shooter. Along with my motivation, I included a semi-auto rifle competency (issued by the police). The application was rejected on the grounds that I didn't possess the relevant competency. The interpretation at that time was that a manually-operated rifle competency was the "actual" competency and a semi-auto was an adjunct to that. Fine, got that, re-submitted, this time through an attorney, along with a threat of legal action. Approved within a month. We now have Expropriation without Compensation (EWC) gaining traction. The whole narrative has snowballed over the last couple months. I personally think that the chances of this going through have increased significantly. If it does, the economy will tank totally. Our expected growth rate for next year is 1.2%. Population growth is 1.5%. Personally, I've decided to put my house on the market, see what I can get, at this point it's more about what you can salvage. | |||
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