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Get my pies outta the oven! |
These FRIGGEN' IDIOTS in the Democrat party that just want to tax, tax, tax everything. I just don't understand this mentality! We in Pennsylvania have a BOOMING craft beer scene with brewpubs and tasting rooms sprouting up all over the state, but now Governor Wolf, a Democrat who naturally never saw a tax he didn't like has decided that craft brewers who sell beer where they make it will pay a 6% on every dollar sales tax to the state. OF COURSE this will just be passed on to us, Joe Consumer.
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Guess we know what organizations have better lobbyists or PAC's -------------------------------------—————— ————————--Ignorance is a powerful tool if applied at the right time, even, usually, surpassing knowledge(E.J.Potter, A.K.A. The Michigan Madman) | |||
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Economics by Democrats 1. Be ignorant if you can 2. If you can't be ignorant be destructive | |||
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Ok....I thought I understood what was going on up to this point, but that sentence makes no sense. Why would the same product be taxed at one establishment but not the other? ----------------------------- Guns are awesome because they shoot solid lead freedom. Every man should have several guns. And several dogs, because a man with a cat is a woman. Kurt Schlichter | |||
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Get my pies outta the oven! |
Evil Genius is the brewer. They also sell beer on on the premises like virtually all PA craft brewers now do with a "tasting room" or a bar there. Some have food, some just sell the beer. Johnny Brenda's is a bar who buys beer from Evil Genius but they do not make their own beer, they are just a bar. | |||
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It's government. It isn't required to make sense. | |||
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Taxes are how democrats, who how no other sellable skills, get rich. And this is their war bank for the revolt that conservatives will eventually bring to them. Hard to believe we've tolerated as much as we have so far. "Wrong does not cease to be wrong because the majority share in it." L.Tolstoy "A government is just a body of people, usually, notably, ungoverned." Shepherd Book | |||
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I hear your gasoline tax will be higher next year, too. Highest in the nation, I believe. ********* "Some people are alive today because it's against the law to kill them". | |||
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Because the bar/restaurant lobbyists are better than the taproom lobbyists. An extra $.42 on a $7 beer at every restaurant and bar in the state might piss off enough people to matter but the same tax charged only at taprooms just pisses off the beer nerds and they'll willingly pay. | |||
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This is a little misleading. There is a 6% sales tax in PA. Somehow breweries did not have to charge this tax because they made the beer onsite. If you bought 6 pack or case from a gas station the tax is already reflected in the sales price. The gas station paid the sales tax when they bought the beer from the wholesaler and just pass it on to the consumer in the purchase price. There is/ was an unfair tax advantage by going direct to the brewery. | |||
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Democrat philosophy: 1) If you can't ban it, tax it. 2) If you can't tax it, ban it. You can't truly call yourself "peaceful" unless you are capable of great violence. If you're not capable of great violence, you're not peaceful, you're harmless. NRA Benefactor/Patriot Member | |||
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It's not you, it's me. |
Ha! Johnny Brenda’s. I hope PA doesn’t do what NJ did to brewers... | |||
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Thank you Very little |
So explain why should brewery's get to charge consumers for their product and avoid paying sales tax, and the article is misleading you are paying a sales tax on beer purchases at bars, nothing sold to consumers is sales tax free.... | |||
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I've noticed a concerted effort over the last few years to attack craft brewers whenever possible. The big beer companies must have some very busy lobbyists. | |||
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democrats - scourge of the earth worthless people, all of them [B] Against ALL enemies, foreign and DOMESTIC | |||
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Savor the limelight |
There's two transaction "streams" for lack of a better term. 1. Evil Genius sells to Johnny Brenda's sells to consumer. 2. Evil Genius sells to consumer. The article makes it sound like there's no tax collected in stream 1, which I highly doubt. If tax is collected in stream 1, then collecting tax in stream 2 is entirely fair and proper. Ignoring out of state sales, where else does being an end user, buying directly from a manufacturer exempt one from sales tax? Or they should rebel. It didn't work in 1794, but maybe it will work today. | |||
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You guys do have a history to fall back on if need be. --------------------- DJT-45/47 MAGA !!!!! "Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it." — Mark Twain “Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard.” — H. L. Mencken | |||
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I made cabinets. When I sold them to an end consumer, I had to charge sales tax. When I sold them to a design firm, they used a sales tax "pass thru" exemption certificate and I didn't charge them sales tax. But the design firm charged sales tax to their customer. That's the way it works. Looks like PA is closing a loophole that was probably pointed out by "BIG BEER" when they gave the gov a "contribution". | |||
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Gracie Allen is my personal savior! |
They've also been steadily losing customers at bars, restaurants, liquor stores, etc. There have been several stories in the media over the past few years about big breweries trying to stem the tide by diversifying into everything from soft drinks to pot. OTOH, the market for distilled spirits (whiskey, et al.) seems to be slowly growing. | |||
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And it was brought courtesy of a Republican governor. | |||
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