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Originally posted by Gustofer:

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
Well, frankly, I'm skeptical that they even have the right guy.

Well, there is a 0.00002% chance that he's not the right guy, so the skepticism, I suppose, is warranted.

Or somebody with his same cell phone ping has some real odd travel habits.

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Originally posted by Gustofer:

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
Well, frankly, I'm skeptical that they even have the right guy.

Well, there is a 0.00002% chance that he's not the right guy, so the skepticism, I suppose, is warranted.

It's been said that he may have previously been involved with one of the victims. If so, It's not hard to imagine how his DNA got there. And the knife sheath that had the DNA is the sheath for the murder weapon? They don't have the knife so how could they know that? Pure speculation. His phone data shows he stalked the house? Again, if he was previously involved with one of the victims, it might not be stalking after all.

I'm just saying there's probably an explanation for all their evidence which I'm sure the defense will exploit to the fullest. And they're going to need a hell of a lot more real evidence than that little bit of DNA on a knife sheath. It's not like his DNA was found under a victim's fingernails or his DNA was on the actual murder weapon, which they don't even have.

So yeah, I remain open minded that there's a possibility he isn't the guy.

I saw an interview w a forensic DNA expert. She said the DNA from the snap on the sheath may not have been a blood sample.

DNA analysis is now so sensitive that results can be obtained from "touch" samples that are only a few skin cells.

Yes, touch/trace DNA is a thing. You're constantly shedding DNA via skin cells, hair, etc. everywhere you go and on everything you come into contact with.

Of course the defense attorney will argue chain of custody issues.

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
And they're going to need a hell of a lit more real evidence than that little bit of DNA on a knife sheath.

I don't think they will. They got him dead nuts, and hopefully that psychopath will be at the end of a rope soon.

It will be interesting to see if he pleads guilty to try and save his life. I just don't think the DA will be in a mood to ok a deal. I would guess there will be a lot of pressure to go for capital punishment.

I don't thing the DA has any say in it. If he wants to plead guilty and avoid the shot in the arm, he can do it without any cooperation of the DA. Then he just gets a free ride forever in the cushy state pen. While that avoids the death penalty, it costs very little compared to the full trial and appeals, all at our expense.

Gosh, I can't wait to find out what happens.

Pleading guilty does not guarantee he won't get the death penalty. The judge still has a say in this.

This brings up the question as to whether there were other DNA profiles from unknown subjects found at the scene. If not, his lawyer is going to have a hard time making an argument that it was some sort of incidental contamination that had nothing to do with the crime.

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:

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Originally posted by Gustofer:

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
Well, frankly, I'm skeptical that they even have the right guy.

Well, there is a 0.00002% chance that he's not the right guy, so the skepticism, I suppose, is warranted.

It's been said that he may have previously been involved with one of the victims. If so, It's not hard to imagine how his DNA got there. And the knife sheath that had the DNA is the sheath for the murder weapon? They don't have the knife so how could they know that? Pure speculation. His phone data shows he stalked the house? Again, if he was previously involved with one of the victims, it might not be stalking after all.

I'm just saying there's probably an explanation for all their evidence which I'm sure the defense will exploit to the fullest. And they're going to need a hell of a lot more real evidence than that little bit of DNA on a knife sheath. It's not like his DNA was found under a victim's fingernails or his DNA was on the actual murder weapon, which they don't even have.

So yeah, I remain open minded that there's a possibility he isn't the guy.

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
It's been said that he may have previously been involved with one of the victims. If so, It's not hard to imagine how his DNA got there. And the knife sheath that had the DNA is the sheath for the murder weapon? They don't have the knife so how could they know that? Pure speculation. His phone data shows he stalked the house? Again, if he was previously involved with one of the victims, it might not be stalking after all.

I'm just saying there's probably an explanation for all their evidence which I'm sure the defense will exploit to the fullest. And they're going to need a hell of a lot more real evidence than that little bit of DNA on a knife sheath. It's not like his DNA was found under a victim's fingernails or his DNA was on the actual murder weapon, which they don't even have.

So yeah, I remain open minded that there's a possibility he isn't the guy.

While anything's possible, within reason 'if' supported by the facts, I'll just be poking a few holes in couple of things here...

First, it would be more correct to say that 'It's been said speculated that he 'may' have previously been involved with one of the victims. If it were the case that he had been previously 'involved' with one of the victims, now that he's been arrested/identified, that almost certainly would have been already confirmed by someone, and the media would be pontificating about it ad nauseam!

Second, regarding the knife sheath, it was found at a multiple homicide crime scene! I'm gonna go out on a limb and say it wasn't found in a drawer, or a closet or a keepsake box. Presumably where it was found led Investigators to believe it was associated with the murders/murder weapon. Additionally, though they don't have 'the knife'/murder weapon, presumably the autopsies revealed that the wounds on the victim(s) are consistent with such a knife. As such, they would've ruled it in as a potential (likely?) murder weapon, as opposed to ruling it out. Also, how likely is it to have a leather knife sheath for a 'USMC' Ka-Bar laying around w/o the associated knife anyway. It's not the kind of knife you tend to misplace! Presumably interviews with the other housemates would've revealed to the Investigators that nobody that lived there had such a knife either.

Regardless, all the pontificating & speculation by the media (and an endless list of 'experts') will unfortunately continue until after the trial is over and the all the facts of the case/investigation are known!

There's a lot we don't know, but one would need to suspend disbelief/logic to dismiss some of what we do know. Just sayin'...

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
I'm just saying there's probably an explanation for all their evidence which I'm sure the defense will exploit to the fullest. And they're going to need a hell of a lot more real evidence than that little bit of DNA on a knife sheath. It's not like his DNA was found under a victim's fingernails or his DNA was on the actual murder weapon, which they don't even have.

So yeah, I remain open minded that there's a possibility he isn't the guy.

I have to agree. As you brought up before, if this guy had a relationship with anyone in that house DNA will be far from conclusive. Time will tell.

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Originally posted by nhracecraft:


There's a lot we don't know, but one would need to suspend disbelief/logic to dismiss some of what we do know. Just sayin'...

We really don't know jackshit, that's the point. But nonetheless, this guy is already 100% guilty in the eyes of most people. Some are already calling for his execution, presumption of innocence be damned. No doubt the police feel strongly that they have their man. That doesn't mean i have to.

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
Some are already calling for his execution, presumption of innocence be damned.

Give him a fair trial and hang him.

Not to weigh in to this specific case, but it is estimated that 2% to 10% of all convicted persons in the US are actually innocent. I'd venture to guess that in each one of those cases the government was confident they had the right person, and the jury was confident in what the government presented to them.

Maybe 1 in 20. Just something to think about.

Since 1973 at least 190 people who had been wrongly convicted and sentenced to death in the U.S. have been exonerated with roughly 1,600 executions. That's roughly 10%.

Another "Missing White Woman"

https://www.foxnews.com/us/mis...ome-children-removed

Could they be more obvious?



People have to wake up to how the media operates. How many people go missing every day? Why aren't their stories covered the same way?

This juicy murder story is just a variation of MWW Syndrome, and the story I linked is a candidate for the next episode of Cable News Murder Mystery Theater.

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Originally posted by parabellum:
How many people go missing every day?

Apparently hundreds of thousands of people go missing each year, the majority of them women.

The defense bringing up that the defendant might have had a relationship with one of the victims opens up a whole new can of worms, not in favor of the defendant, in my opinion. First, it shows that he may have also known the other victims; it could show motive (which I don't think they have at this time) they could say the defendant was rejected by the victim and he retaliated in a jealous rage. There are undoubtedly other scenarios the prosecution could possibly develop because of the DNA found.

Finding the defendants DNA at the scene is not a good thing for the defense IMHO.

The people were stabbed to death w a large knife.

The guy arrested had his DNA on a Ka-Bar sheath found next to one of the people killed.

It isn't like his DNA was found on a coffee table.