Oh my Nancy Grace is a vile human being.

Just saw her on FNC. "He was around that home, in the early morning hours, all the way back to June. Stalking them...peeping...probably masturbating!"

No, I'm not defending the alleged killer. She has no idea whatsoever what this guy was doing but immediately goes to the most disgusting headline grabbing thing she can latch her claws onto. That woman turns my stomach.

I want to know everything about this case and I'm glad we're able to discuss it, but Nancy Grace needs to go away. Why FNC continues to put her angry nasty mug on my TV is a mystery.

She is not on my TV. Maybe something is wrong with yours. LOL

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Originally posted by Gustofer:
Oh my Nancy Grace is a vile human being.

Just saw her on FNC. "He was around that home, in the early morning hours, all the way back to June. Stalking them...peeping...probably masturbating!"

Yes, 'vile' only begins to describe this wretch. That statement of hers you quoted illustrates perfectly what this muckraking witch is all about and it is emblematic of the approach to this story by the shameless news media.

She needs to be removed from the airwaves.

How in the hell was this guy a PhD candidate criminology student?

I don’t think I’ve ever taken a criminology class, but I certainly understand the “DNA under the victim’s fingernail thing” or a speck of it on a freaking KBar sheath that you didn’t denature (lyse some organic molecules).

Why the fuck did he bring a cell phone with him everywhere?

Car tracking was super key as well… Many of them have GPS units in them that can easily be tapped. Don’t know if that’s the case here but jeepers.

How do you get to a graduate level of criminology without understanding the basics?

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Originally posted by parabellum:
She needs to be removed from the airwaves.

The vast majority of "journalists" on TV and radio need to be removed from the airwaves.

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Originally posted by SIGnified:
How do you get to a graduate level of criminology without understanding the basics?

I had basically no detailed forensics instruction in my 4 years of Criminal Justice undergraduate classes for my Bachelor's degree.

Basically all my Criminal Justice/Criminology classes were more about the sociological/psychological factors that lead to crime, laws and the Constitution and their real world applications, and and the basic nuts and bolts of how the criminal justic system functions (overview of policing strategies, overview of corrections, etc.).

So yeah, I can totally see how someone could get to be a graduate student with only a very vague understanding of investigative tactics and forensics.

Like Sigfreund, I also find it very interesting from a technical perspective. I don't care much for the graphic details, but I am impressed on how well the local police appeared to have started with just a few clues, and quickly progressed.

Also it is appreciating to know that criminals in such cases can be caught, and that good can triumph over evil despite the steps taken by the perps.

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Originally posted by RogueJSK:

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Originally posted by SIGnified:
How do you get to a graduate level of criminology without understanding the basics?

I had basically no detailed forensics instruction in my 4 years of Criminal Justice undergraduate classes for my Bachelor's degree.

Basically all my Criminal Justice/Criminology classes were more about the sociological/psychological factors that lead to crime, laws and the Constitution and their real world applications, and and the basic nuts and bolts of how the criminal justic system functions (overview of policing strategies, overview of corrections, etc.).

That’s quite interesting to me.

I guess I come at it backwards from the biology-side studying mcdb/molecular genetics.

I also took a forensics class from a guy who is a lot like Dr. Michael Baden. Nearly just as famous in the field, just not as much television.

I might give them a pass on the molecular genetics handling… But the cell phone? The car?

Even bad guys in the hood go steal a freaking hooptie before you go do the dirty deed.

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There's also the fact that many of these types of mass murderers/serial killers think they're smarter than they actually are, sometimes to a pathological level (narcissism, delusion of grandeur, etc.) So he may not have even bothered to learn about forensics, or he learned a little and assumed he knew everything (Dunning-Kruger effect).

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Originally posted by SIGnified:
Even even guys in the hood go steal a freaking hooptie before you go do the dirty deed.

That's often more about institutional/generational knowledge.

The average scrotebag is not sitting around ruminating on new and unique strategies to not get caught. Rather, they're getting on the job training from more experienced guys, either in the hood or while in jail/prison.

This guy didn't have a "murder mentor" to take him under their wing and teach him all the tips and tricks on how best to get away with it.

Seriously, it's like he never even watched a single episode of CSI...

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Oh my Nancy Grace is a vile human being.

Just saw her on FNC. "He was around that home, in the early morning hours, all the way back to June. Stalking them...peeping...probably masturbating!"

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I cannot stand her. In addition to calling viewers, "friends" her knowledge of the psychopathology of criminal behavior is appalling. She does not have a clue. Joy Behar probably knows more than her.

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Originally posted by SIGnified:

How do you get to a graduate level of criminology without understanding the basics?

He may have understood the basics very well, but he's a very sick individual. A compulsive gambler understands losing, but still gambles. Which brings up a point --- could there be other victims, and unsolved crimes that he was responsible for, but he happened to cover his ass better?

^^^^I've heard that they are looking into previous crimes in PA. Someone stated that even the truly psychopathic don't start their crime sprees with a quadruple stabbing murder. I'd bet this sicko has a past.

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Read the Mindhunters. Offers insight into serial murderers. Douglas interviewed these guys and has quite a lot of insight into their motivations. He started Profiling for the FBI. Park Dietz is a forensic psychiatrist who is in the field as well.

Interesting stuff fellas… Thank you.


I really don’t do the “murder death kill” thing as entertainment, as things have been violent enough in life, but my wife really enjoys digging deeper into these things. I can understand why it’s a fascination.

She’s proclaiming that Lacy Peterson’s husband didn’t do it lately. I just can’t watch it.

What was it that Ted Bundy said, something about the first murder is meticulously planned but the 30th murder is like changing a tire for the 30th time, you get sloppy, forgetting where you put the lug nuts.

I wonder how many other murders this guy has done, I don't think this was his first. Any department in the area (by that, I mean at least a 3 state area) may want to re-look at any cold case homeless/street prostitute murders. I would look at blitz/surprise attack murders and murders where the victim may have been asleep or passed out (think homeless). Those are usually where aspiring serial killers strike first for practice.

While getting my Criminal Justice Degree, I was lucky getting instructors in the actual field: Juvenile Court Judge for Juvenile Justice, Medical Examiner for Basic Forensics (he brought in some excellent Crime Scene Processing Officers), and a retired FBI Agent who spent a lot of his career in the Behavior Analysis Unit (that was a freaking EPIC class).

Ok, this next section is going to be a bit graphic and brutal, it sums up what I have seen,heard, and been taught (some of this is from the Epic FBI profiler class) during a 40 year Law Enforcement career. As to why the killer did not attack the roommate who saw him, here are some possibilities:
1. It was dark and he didn't actually see her.
2. Still in his post murder orgasmic high, that a lot of the killers describe after they have murdered, he may have not even noticed her. He could have been on "auto pilot" as he exited the house.
3. She did not fit his "murder scenario" (ie to be graphic, what turned him on), by being standing and awake. It sounds like he stabbed his victims while they were asleep and then talked with them as he killed them. So her standing and awake means she would fight back. Victims capable of fighting back does not fit his preferred method of killing based on what we know of the crime scene.
4. The killer could have been worried about getting out of the area as opposed of dealing with a victim that could fight back.

These are just some theories based on what I have read from the information that SDY posted on the affidavit and what we have "heard" from more reliable media sources.

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Originally posted by ZSMICHAEL:
[QUOTE]Oh my Nancy Grace is a vile human being.


I Joy Behar probably knows more than her.

I don't know.............. In my 78 years on this earth, I have met a lotta dumb people, but Joy Behar still gets top billing from me for stupid!



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I took an investigative course once entitled:
Precursor Crime.
The point of it was that certain types of crimes, such voyeurism, trespassing, animal abuse and arson are leading up to far more serious crime that will occur in the future. Personality traits were discussed as well. Which at the time was cutting edge stuff but now has become a general belief. But the course went one step further and advocated that those who are convicted of the precursor crimes needed to be tracked and monitored. Which, of course, is not only difficult but has ethical and legal implications that limit that type of oversight. I wonder what types of precursor crimes the suspect has committed (if any) and what personality traits led up to this.

Well, frankly, I'm skeptical that they even have the right guy.

I suppose that hardly matters much now though since Mr. Kohberger has essentially already been found guilty.

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
Well, frankly, I'm skeptical that they even have the right guy.

Well, there is a 0.00002% chance that he's not the right guy, so the skepticism, I suppose, is warranted.