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I do not believe this is correct.

The memo was generated by employees in the Legislative Branch, thus the classifying official (the person empowered to change the classification level) is not in the Executive Branch and President Trump cannot direct them to release it.


Interesting, and not something I’ve ever run across before. Not saying you’re wrong because it has been a very long time since I was involved with such things, but my thoughts:

“Classified” is shorthand for something that’s “‘classified’ as defense information.” In other words. someone with the proper authority has made the determination that the information relates to the security of the nation, and that revealing it to unauthorized people would damage national security.

National defense is a direct responsibility of the Executive Branch (i.e., the President), and that’s why the Department of Defense is under the Executive Branch. In the absence of information to the contrary, I would believe (and argue) that if something is classified as defense information, then it falls under the President’s authority to declassify it regardless who made the original determination that it should be classified.
My recollection is that the President (and CiC) is the ultimate classification authority--he can classify or declassify ANYTHING.

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According to the Supreme Court the president can declassify anything he wants to. He has that authority. He will not do it unless Congress fails to act (in my opinion). Congress had the memo produced and has the power to declassify it.

https://books.google.com/books...%20and%20con&f=false


https://theintercept.com/2018/...be-shameless-frauds/
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That means presidents can also declassify anything they chose to — for any reason or no reason — as they have done in the past. George W. Bush, under pressure in 2004, declassified the section of the 2001 presidential daily brief headlined “Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S.” Barack Obama declassified the Justice Department memos produced during the Bush presidency on the legality of torture.

https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB116/
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04...litics/17detain.html



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Originally posted by BamaJeepster:
According to the Supreme Court the president can declassify anything he wants to. He has that authority. He will not do it unless Congress fails to act (in my opinion). Congress had the memo produced and has the power to declassify it.

https://books.google.com/books...%20and%20con&f=false


https://theintercept.com/2018/...be-shameless-frauds/
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That means presidents can also declassify anything they chose to — for any reason or no reason — as they have done in the past. George W. Bush, under pressure in 2004, declassified the section of the 2001 presidential daily brief headlined “Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S.” Barack Obama declassified the Justice Department memos produced during the Bush presidency on the legality of torture.

https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB116/
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04...litics/17detain.html


Rules of the House of Representatives X, clause 11, g:

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)(1) The select committee may dis- close publicly any information in its possession after a determination by the select committee that the public inter- est would be served by such disclosure. With respect to the disclosure of infor- mation for which this paragraph re- quires action by the select com- mittee—
(A) the select committee shall meet to vote on the matter within five days after a member of the select committee requests a vote; and
(B) a member of the select com- mittee may not make such a disclo- sure before a vote by the select com- mittee on the matter, or after a vote by the select committee on the mat- ter except in accordance with this paragraph.
(2)(A) In a case in which the select committee votes to disclose publicly any information that has been classi- fied under established security proce- dures, that has been submitted to it by the executive branch, and that the ex- ecutive branch requests be kept secret, the select committee shall notify the President of such vote.
(B) The select committee may dis- close publicly such information after the expiration of a five-day period fol- lowing the day on which notice of the vote to disclose is transmitted to the President unless, before the expiration of the five-day period, the President, personally in writing, notifies the se- lect committee that the President ob- jects to the disclosure of such informa- tion, provides reasons therefor, and certifies that the threat to the na- tional interest of the United States posed by the disclosure is of such grav- ity that it outweighs any public inter- est in the disclosure.
(C) If the President, personally in writing, notifies the select committee of objections to the disclosure of infor- mation as provided in subdivision (B), the select committee may, by majority vote, refer the question of the disclo- sure of such information, with a rec- ommendation thereon, to the House. The select committee may not publicly disclose such information without leave of the House.


https://rules.house.gov/sites/.../House-Rules-115.pdf




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When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson

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Link to original video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aa95jLxZfc4


^^^^Worth a half-hour of your time!

James Comey is a snake.


Thanks,

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^^^^^ yes it is. I dream for the day this all becomes front page news. I know, it’s a tall order but this shit has to come out to reclaim our country. The firing squad isn’t good enough for all the main players of the Russian collusion farce.




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I dunno guys. I'm having trouble maintaining a hardon for this long. Good times though.


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Originally posted by flashguy:
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Originally posted by sigfreund:
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Originally posted by Sig2340:
I do not believe this is correct.

The memo was generated by employees in the Legislative Branch, thus the classifying official (the person empowered to change the classification level) is not in the Executive Branch and President Trump cannot direct them to release it.


Interesting, and not something I’ve ever run across before. Not saying you’re wrong because it has been a very long time since I was involved with such things, but my thoughts:

“Classified” is shorthand for something that’s “‘classified’ as defense information.” In other words. someone with the proper authority has made the determination that the information relates to the security of the nation, and that revealing it to unauthorized people would damage national security.

National defense is a direct responsibility of the Executive Branch (i.e., the President), and that’s why the Department of Defense is under the Executive Branch. In the absence of information to the contrary, I would believe (and argue) that if something is classified as defense information, then it falls under the President’s authority to declassify it regardless who made the original determination that it should be classified.
My recollection is that the President (and CiC) is the ultimate classification authority--he can classify or declassify ANYTHING.

flashguy


Here is an Original Classification Authoriy desktop reference. Only those specifically delegated authority by the President, according to EO13526, can have OCA.

https://www.cdse.edu/documents...esktop-reference.pdf
 
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We have gotten more civilized over the last 240 years.
Why, yes, we have. For example, I insist we use new ropes and set a date and time, so as not to appear too hasty.

Decorum, decorum

I like the way you think Sir, I like the way you think. Big Grin
 
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The video in the post by EZ_B (above) is in strong agreement with the theory described by Conservative Treehouse.

(see JALLEN and my posts on page 5)

This is the link to the redacted TS doc that was released by DNI Dan Coats:

https://www.scribd.com/documen...ius&medium=affiliate



this is the document that Joe diGenova is talking about.

diGenova story is the Conservative Treehouse story almost verbatim.

*****************

this is a minor point:
diGenova says Crowdstrike bleached Clinton's computer.

That is not correct.
a Platte River Networks employee bleached the Clinton server.

But even more important is that Crowdstrike was the company that analyzed the DNC computers and told the FBI the hacking was done by the Russians.

The FBI never examined the DNC computers. The DNC would not give the FBI access.
 
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It's like watching that old film of the two steam locomotives on the same track heading toward each other. You know there is going to be a very big boom and explosion of the engines, it's inevitable, it's just a matter of --not much-- time.

So I wonder: then what?

This is a shit storm of unprecedented magnitude. Just imagine Hillary and Bill Clinton being carted to prison. Maybe Barack Obama hauled off, at the head of a conga line: Loretta Lynch, James Comey and all the FBI big shots, Clapper, possibly some well-known journalists, etc etc. Holy shit.

How would the country handle that? There has never been anything like it....


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EZ_B, thanks very much for the video.

I never thought I'd live to see the day...


Yet, I am now much encouraged. It would seem that the dam is about to break.


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EZ_B, thanks very much for the video.

I never thought I'd live to see the day...


Yet, I am now much encouraged. It would seem that the dam is about to break.


Yeah, that's one hell of a video.
That guy knows exactly what is going on and explains it very well.

Corruption at the highest levels. Wow
 
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EZ_B, thanks very much for the video.

I never thought I'd live to see the day...


Yet, I am now much encouraged. It would seem that the dam is about to break.


It's a pleasure to post something more significant than a high-res image of my latest meal.

Thanks for running a tight ship Para.
 
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If you're looking for a new desktop picture, here's an Inauguration 2017 picture that's been updated w/anti-Trump & pro-Trump supporters by someone on Reddit

It's huge, 9900 x 5445 resolution and is about 20 Megabytes size....it is definitely not 56k-friendly

https://i.redd.it/2t89yojiqbb01.jpg



Gigabit internet version, 18000 x 9900 resolution, 46 Megabytes size, you've been warned!

https://ipfs.io/ipfs/Qmdz1mnQG...R4MWj1D2u1Qn2euP4v8o



WORTH THE WAIT TO DOWNLOAD!

I don't know who half the people are on either side, but the ones I do know were hilarious. Jeb, Anthony, Bill, Clint and more. Great stuff and worth the resolution.






What part of "...Shall not be infringed" don't you understand???


 
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Joe diGenova's excellent summary of Obama's plot to exonerate Hillary.

http://dailycaller.com/2018/01...t-exonerate-hillary/


I hope his "suicide" note is up to date...






What part of "...Shall not be infringed" don't you understand???


 
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That was indeed a very good video. I hope every word of this gets proven and those who owe, get to pay. The days and weeks ahead will be interesting.
 
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I am proud to say, he is my President.


Well said. Couldn't be happier with the work he's done. Couldn't be happier watching the tops of the lib-tards heads exploding.



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Wiped? You mean like with a cloth? I want to see a specific name held responsible, and than head rolling down Pennsylvania Ave.


Unbelievable’: FBI Agents’ Missing Text Messages Compared To Lois Lerner Email Scandal

The revelation that the FBI “failed to preserve” five months worth of anti-Trump agents’ text messages is evoking memories of Lois Lerner, the IRS official whose emails mysteriously disappeared during congressional investigations into her targeting of conservative non-profit groups.

“The [Lois] Lerner thing was huge,” Ohio Rep. Jim Jordan told The Daily Caller. “My gut tells me this is probably bigger.”

On Sunday, the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee (HSGAC) revealed that the FBI recently told the Justice Department that it was unable to find text messages exchanged between FBI counterintelligence official Peter Strzok and FBI lawyer Lisa Page.

The failure stemmed from “misconfiguration issues” on FBI-issued Samsung 5 devices used by “many” FBI agents and officials, Stephen Boyd, the Justice Department’s assistant attorney general for legislative affairs, told HSGAC. (RELATED: FBI ‘Failed To Preserve’ Five Months Of Anti-Trump Agents’ Text Messages)

“The result was that data that should have been automatically collected and retained for long-term storage and retrieval was not collected,” Boyd wrote.

The text message gap spans the period between Dec. 14, 2016 and May 17, 2017, according to Wisconsin Sen. Ron Johnson, the chairman of HSGAC.

That’s a crucial timespan in the FBI’s Russia investigation, which Strzok was picked to oversee in July 2016.

During that period, the infamous Steele dossier was published, Strzok interviewed then-national security adviser Michael Flynn about contacts he had with Russia’s ambassador (he pleaded guilty in December to lying during that interview), and James Comey was fired as FBI director. On the final day of the five-month gap, Robert Mueller was appointed to serve as special counsel on the Russia investigation.

Strzok was a member of that team until July, when the Justice Department’s inspector general found his anti-Trump exchanges with Page, his mistress.

In a letter to FBI Director Christopher Wray, Johnson called the gap “concerning.”

Jordan, who serves on the House Judiciary and House Oversight Committees, sees parallels to the Lerner investigation, which he helped steer as a member of the Oversight panel. That committee battled tooth and nail with the IRS and the Obama White House over records related to Lerner’s targeting of conservative non-profit groups who had applied for tax exempt status.

After months of investigation, IRS officials claimed that thousands of Lerner emails from before April 2011 had been lost due to a crash of her email system. The snafu occurred in June 2011, just days after the House Ways and Means Committee requested IRS documents, including emails from Lerner’s division.

In a fiery exchange in Sept. 2016, Jordan forced then-IRS Commissioner John Koskinen to acknowledge that he made inaccurate statements about the destruction of Lerner’s emails.

Jordan said Sunday that he was not surprised by the IRS’s Lerner mess. But he has different thoughts about the new FBI revelations.

“Everybody knows the IRS is incompetent,” Jordan told TheDC on Sunday. “But we’re talking about the FBI here.”

“If this is true, they lost the text messages from the guy who was deputy head of counterintelligence? I mean, come on. If this actually happened this is unbelievable, and it’s why we would need to investigate it.”

Asked whether the House Judiciary Committee plans to look into the missing texts, Jordan responded, “of course.”

He also re-upped his call for a second special counsel in addition to Mueller to look into the handling of the Russia probe as well as the infamous Steele dossier.

“The time for a special counsel is now,” he said on Twitter after talking to TheDC, joining other Republicans who have pushed for oversight of the Russia probe.

“If it wasn’t already clear we need a second special counsel, it’s abundantly clear now,” North Carolina Rep. Mark Meadows said on Twitter.


Is seems likely that Strzok and Page expressed their political views during those five months of text messages. Last month, the Justice Department released a sample of 375 texts (out of a total of 10,000) that showed Strzok and Page speaking candidly about Trump and Clinton.

Strzok referred to Trump as an “idiot” in one text. In another sent shortly before the election, he wrote “F Trump.” In one cryptic message sent on Aug. 15, 2016, just at the beginning of the Russia investigation, Strzok referred to an “insurance policy” that investigators needed to take out in case of a Trump election win.

And in his letter to Wray, Johnson cited other questionable text exchanges.

In a May 4, 2016 text, Strzok and Page were discussing the decision by Texas Sen. Ted Cruz to drop out of the Republican primaries, a move which cemented Donald Trump’s position as GOP presidential nominee.

Strzok responded to that development with a text suggesting that the FBI would have to speed up its Clinton investigation.

“Now the pressure really starts to finish MYE….,” Strzok wrote, referring to “Mid-Year Exam,” the FBI’s code name for its Clinton investigation. (RELATED: FBI Agent Spoke Of ‘Pressure’ To End Clinton Probe After Trump’s Surge)

A slew of questions about the FBI’s record-keeping remain unanswered.

It is unclear whether Strzok and Page deleted any text messages or whether the FBI maintains possession of their work cell phones. It is also unclear how extensive the misconfiguration issue was at the FBI and how many other FBI officials’ text messages were lost.

The FBI did not respond to a detailed list of questions, including about whether messages were deleted and how many officials had problems with their FBI-issued phones.

Another mystery swirling around the text message gap is why Congress and the public are only now being told about the missing messages.

Details of other Strzok-Page exchanges were revealed in news reports last month. And Justice Department Inspector General Michael Horowitz recently laid out a timeline of its investigation in a letter to Johnson and Iowa Sen. Chuck Grassley. But Horowitz did not mention the FBI’s “failure to preserve” five months’ worth of text messages.

Horowitz’s office obtained some of the text messages as part of his office’s investigation into the FBI’s handling of the Clinton email investigation. Started last January, the investigation is expected to wrap up in the next couple of months.

In a Dec. 13 letter to Johnson and Grassley, Horowitz said that he initially requested text messages from various FBI officials up through Nov. 30, 2016. (RELATED: New Details Of Discovery Of FBI Agents’ Anti-Trump Text Messages)

The FBI provided the records to the IG on July 20. Horowitz’s investigators seemingly discovered the biased Strzok-Page exchanges and shared them with Mueller a week later.

Strzok, who was detailed from the FBI to Mueller’s Russia investigation, was “immediately” removed from the team and sent to FBI’s human resources office.

After the review of the texts, the IG expanded its request to the FBI for text messages exchanged between Strzok and Page for the period Nov. 30, 2016 and July 28, 2017. The FBI handed over those records on Aug. 10.

Strzok’s dismissal was reported several days later, but the FBI, DOJ and Mueller’s office refused to say what happened. The existence of the text messages wasn’t reported until four months later, at the beginning of last month.

A spokesman for Horowitz did not respond to a request for comment.



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I want to see a specific name held responsible, and than head rolling down Pennsylvania Ave.

Th guy lied to the FBI about doing it in the first interview. The FBI Let him change his testimony.


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