I can't wrap my head around this, it being unnecessary and avoidable.

"A distraught mother claims her disabled son was beaten up at school after a teacher failed to stop him being bullied.

Valerie Ann Lozano, from San Antonio, said her son was in PE class at Resnik Middle School on Thursday when another student told the boy he was going to fight him after school.

She claims her son told his PE teacher about the threat, and the instructor told the boy 'Don’t worry, I got you'.

But, she wrote on Facebook, the offer of help never materialized and her son was beaten bloody later the same day..." WARNING GRAPHIC CONTENT
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new...iled-stop-bully.html

On December 11, 2017, I wrote the following in another thread here:

"[H]ere's an example of how two seemingly diverse interests can have a meeting of the minds to try to stop bullying and abuse.

Here in Pasco County, Florida, a program has been implemented to control and ultimately eradicate bullying and abuse in schools. The Superintendent of Pasco County Schools, Kurt Browning (R) and the United School Employees of Pasco (D) agreed on such a program.

I do not know if this program is exclusive to Pasco County. I do not know if there are any variations out there. I do know that it involves extensive regulations, admittedly common sense, of a good faith effort to find common ground and purpose.

Every Pasco School teacher and employee is required to proactively take corrective measures whenever they have knowledge of bullying and abuse. If not, the District, school, teacher and/or employee will be held liable. Consequences can include the immediate firing of the teacher or employee.

The program relies on accountability. Both personal and organizational.

Again, as always, details are relevant. But the scheme does provide a semblance of correctness that seems elusive in other jurisdictions.

I do not know if this scheme is common in the country or as rare as hen's teeth. But as those who have experience with being "bitten" by a chicken, you know full well that the spurs come right after.

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Be proactive and pass the word. Further information can be obtained by contacting either the Office of the Pasco County (Florida) School System or the United School Employees of Pasco Union."

If only the adults would acknowledge the inverse Golden Rule---"How would you like it if it happened to your kid?", that world would be different. Or the Golden Apple Rule---"You are rotten, out of the basket!"

I have no sympathy for bullies and their enablers.

This is how bullies work. They're going to get you, and let you now. If you tell and they get in trouble, they WILL get you later. If you manage to dodge that their friends will get you.

Bullies are like the school version of the mafia. If you're in their circle you have no worries. If you bow to them and give them whatever tribute they want, you're 'protected'. Stand up to them or refuse and you will pay, somehow.

Well put, Rightwire.

But problems like bullying don't come without solutions.

In the 3rd or 4th grade there were a couple of kids in school (Ron and Jerry) who picked on me every day. Their older brothers hated and fought with my older brothers, so the tradition continued. For a time, I was terrified of being ganged up on and beaten up by them. One day they followed me home from school and cornered me about a block away from home and started shoving and punching me. I went crazy and fought like my life depended on it, connecting well with a couple of punches until a grown up came out and broke it up. They never bothered me again from then until we all graduated from high school. Ron and I eventually became fairly good friends in college.

Then, in the 8th or 9th grade, some greasy trailer trash kid on the bus didn't like me for whatever reason and singled me out. Pretty much every day he'd threaten me with some kind of ass kicking and I did my best to just ignore it. Then, one day he sucker punched me while we were standing to get off the bus and I went after him. He definitely got the better of me and I went home with a black eye and a fat lip, but he never bothered me again.

I don't think my stories are unique. Bullying is something that is as old as time and is, I think to a certain degree, human nature. I don't believe that it is necessarily a bad thing and can be a good thing.

The problem is that in the past 20 or so years, a lot these encounters have taken on a level of violence and emotional "torture"(if you will), previously not seen. Bullying is OK IMO, this level of bullying is not.

I think that there are lots of reasons for this - The breakdown of the family, moral decay, social media, violent video games, no consequences for actions, increasing racial divisions, etc.... Question is, how do we fix it and get back to a healthy and normal level of bullying.

When I was a lad, if I were ever threatened, I immediately attacked. Bigger, tougher, in front of a teacher, or the school principal. It didn't matter. I was not going to let a threat hang out there to be acted on at a time and place of their choosing.

I didn't do this because I was brave. In fact, I was a coward, and deathly afraid of being ambushed after school. After a few times the "bully clique" left me alone.

I'm not sure I would recommend it today.

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her son was beaten bloody later the same day

Have the bullies who beat her son been arrested and charged with assault? Not mentioned in the article....

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Originally posted by 229DAK:

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her son was beaten bloody later the same day

Have the bullies who beat her son been arrested and charged with assault? Not mentioned in the article....

Apparently not. The school seems to be covering their asses:

" [T]he school district...[gave] a statement which reads: “On Thursday, January 25, around 3 p.m., two students engaged in a mutual altercation that was immediately stopped by a police officer.

'Due to Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act, we cannot disclose disciplinary actions taken against the students, but we can say both parties did comply with the officer's directives.

'We are in the beginning phases of the investigation and we are getting statements from students and teachers."

To me, the use of the term "mutual" in that context raises a red flag. Reminiscent of Mutual of Omaha's Wild Kingdom where the lion always ate the gazelle, and never the other way around.

A kid that age should be enjoying whatever a kid that age enjoys and not worry about a s__-__-_-_____ jumping on him.

Growing up, there was a clan of hicks living down the street from me. One of the kids was two years older than me and picked on me quite a bit. Usually in front of a crowd. It came to a head when he speared my foot with a lawn dart.
I went home for wound treatment and told my old man what happened. The old man said the bullying would go on unless I stood up to my bully. He also gave me some important tactical advice:
Catch the bully out by himself. I began to watch the dude and it did not take too long for me to learn that after he got off the school bus, he got on his bike and rode over to visit a girl a couple streets away. He would then ride back home for supper at the same time every day.
I found a spot to lay in wait and when he rode by me, I shoved a mop handle into the spokes of his front wheel. The crash was satisfyingly spectacular and I followed up with the mop handle too. I told him if he went after me again, he better kill me.
Problem solved!
And some years later, I had the immense pleasure of investigating a domestic where my bully was gut shot with a .32 revolver. He had been thumping his GF and she got tired of it and shot him. We did not charge her. Unfortunately he survived the shooting. His childhood behavior carried over into adult life.
I think a lot of this bullying would go by the wayside if the schools would support the victim when he defends himself. This BS of taking action against both parties need to go.
And I think an assault on a disabled person is a felony in most places.

Schools have anti-bullying policies on paper. They have nothing in practice.

To actually stop bullying means a teacher or administrator actually has to get involved.

There is no upside for the teacher or admin. They run real risks to their own career, their own ability to earn a living and provide for their own family. The bully’s own parent(s) may (and likely will) file complaints or push for administrative actions against the teacher or even take legal action against the teacher/admin. District administration may take action against the teacher as way to placate they parent(s) of the bully or a way to cover up the problem (or other problems) that may affect things like funding.

God forbid that intervention becomes physical. In addition to the possibility of injury (including serious, life altering injury) the teacher/admin will likely face legal consequences like lawsuits or even criminal charges.

In the current politically correct, up-is-down, left-is-right, everybody wants to be a YouTube star, environment why would any teacher or administrator willingly intervene?

I was very small until my sophomore year of college. I put up with a lot of bullying and each time I lost my mind and wrecked the bully the problem stopped. It’s a universal truth, some people only understand brutal violence.

Sometimes punching someone in the face is the correct option.

Not usually. But sometimes.

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I have zero tolerance for this


I was bullied somewhat as a kid....I am big, was always borderline on my weight, and was teased accordingly

I was in third grade when I finally swung back and realized that being twice everybody’s size csme with certain advantages...and inevitably I would beat the shit out of one, and word would spread

My kids have been, for the most part, been spared this

My oldest son was blessed with my height and my wife’s weight...he is 6’8 and just turned 16...he is a great kid

I’ve only ever been called to school for him once

In fifth grade, I got called to school because he had been in an “altercation”

My middle son is my miracle child....too long to get into, but he is 4 years younger than the oldest, and in first grade was identified for special education


The altercation my oldest son had been involved in was him coming upon some 4th graders teasing my first grader for being stupid

And big brother’s response was to pick the kids up and put them in the trash can

When this story was relayed to me by the principal, he prefaced it that the kids in question had a history of bullying

He asked me what I was going to do

I told him I was leaving and taking my oldest to whatever dinner he wanted


And I left


One of my proudest moments as a dad

When I asked my boy what happened he said

“I heard what they said and I saw karrick (son #2) crying and I GOT SO MAD!!!!”


You always back your brother. Always

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I think a lot of this bullying would go by the wayside if the schools would support the victim when he defends himself. This BS of taking action against both parties need to go.

This in spades. I have a friend whose son was a good kid and was getting bullied a lot by the same troublemaker. Troublemaker knew that my friend's son didn't want to get in trouble due to the no tolerance policy and used it against him. Finally the boy couldn't take it anymore and beat the bully's ass. Both were suspended for three days. Bully's parents complained and bully's punishment became 1 day of in school suspension. Good kid got full suspension. Bastards.

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Originally posted by Sig209:
Sometimes punching someone in the face is the correct option.

Not usually. But sometimes.

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Some girl once said to me, "Violence never solves a problem!"

I responded, "Violence always solves the problem. You might not like the solution, but it's solved."

I was a small kid but strong. I got picked on a lot, but I also fought back 100% of the time. I learned to choke out kids on my own when 8 years old. Once I made a few of them hurt, they mostly left me alone. Got jumped from behind by an older kid at age 10, made him hurt. Got beat up by a 16 year old (I was 12) at end of street (bad kid) who stopped my bike on the way home. I fought back even though he had 30 pounds on me - only time I really go hurt. But no way in hell I wouldn't fight back.

You do not give in to bullies. Today schools have a stupid way of handling - if you fight back, you get same punishment as the bully. I also teach my kids to stand up for their friends - bullies don't like when it is more than 1 person.

I hate bullies and schools actually promote it (IMHO) with the current structure/setup.

Were that my child, the halls of that school would run with skittle juice and the school district would be writing a sizable check.

I know it may sound old fashioned, but I really think its very beneficial for every kid to learn how to fight. When my son was maybe eight, I started teaching him how to throw and duck a punch. He used to love beating on my heavy bag. When he was in middle school, one of the less liked kids used to torment him (and others) every day. I told him to tell the teacher, which he did several times, but the nonsense was never addressed. I finally told him if it happened again to land an overhand right in the middle of the kid's face. That's exactly what happened a couple days later. My son got suspended and I had a talk with both the teacher and principal letting them know he did exactly as I'd told him to do, and that he would 'not' be punished for what he did. When he returned to school, the kid who'd been bugging him never bugged him again.

speaks a lot about who is having kids,

there were probably 6 people who knew this was happening and there were not two or three would step up and clean this bullys plow , but good,
until he couldn't or wouldn't get up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82sxRBNSteA


Maybe, you should leave the much bigger fat kid alone.....

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I think a lot of this bullying would go by the wayside if the schools would support the victim when he defends himself. This BS of taking action against both parties need to go.

This.

99% of the time, the school knows who the bully and the bullied is. This horseshit of both are equally in trouble/zero tolerance crap is ridiculous.

When I was a kid, our Principal would always talk to both side and be fair about things. (And that was even at a strict Catholic school.)
Once I accidentally tripped a friend while at PE. Picked him up, said I was sorry, and all was good. Well one of the class bullies saw that as an opportunity to start some shit. He went to my friend talking smack how it was on purpose, he should kick me ass, etc. Well my friend was one who was easily influenced (and didn't want to tell the bully to piss off) so he came over and starting throwing a few haymakers. He was a little, small guy so nothing was connecting and I honestly didn't want to hit him. By now a crowd has gathered, the usual suspects are egging him on to keep going, etc.
Well, one of the haymakers clipped my chin, so I decided the only way this was stopping was to sock him back. One quick shot to the face ended it.
We both get called into the Office and relayed exactly what happened. Funny thing, neither one of us got suspended - nor in any trouble for that matter. The bully, on the other hand, ended up in detention.

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Sometimes punching someone in the face is the correct option.

IMHO, this is the only real way to stop a bully.