A good friend of mine has two daughters who he enrolled in a Karate class. That was around 10 years ago. They were age 6 and 8.

He claims that to this day nobody messes with his daughters.

Bullies only pick on those they think are weak because they are basically cowards. Standing up to them is the only solution IMO. In my experience it always stopped when the victim fought back. I went to a private Catholic high school. My Freshman year I grew a foot going from a short pudgy kid to a large dude. I remember that summer seeing some of the bullies. Funny they were all running up to me telling me "hey no hard feelings right?". I didn't even need to kick anybody's ass, they knew I would and could so they ran away instead. A couple got a good beating for payback but that was about it. That was a good year in my life

find the bullies and beat the shit out of them - break bones if necessary...aim to permanently cripple - go after knees and elbows

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Originally posted by jehzsa:

To me, the use of the term "mutual" in that context raises a red flag. Reminiscent of Mutual of Omaha's Wild Kingdom where the lion always ate the gazelle, and never the other way around.

Well . . . there are two sides to every coin. Mama said they were bullies. But, maybe this is a beef of long-standing duration. Maybe it was mutual. Maybe not. we don't have near enough facts from this story to know what happened.

But my brother and sister-in-law are both in education. I think in my day, if you thumped a bully, it would have been let go with a wink and a nod. They can't do it that way now - the administrations just won't let it happen, so there is punishment all around. It is easier and less risky for them that figuring out who is really at fault.

First, I need to know how this kid is disabled, if he is accurately or conveniently diagnosed. I mean if he is disabled because he has a made-up gluten allergy then he's just a normal kid with a nutjob parent. This would shed a lot of light on the story.

Second, we need to know if the story's victim had any hand in the instigation.

Lastly, those that say a punch to the face cures bullies are 100% correct. When I was in grade school I was bullied by the older kids that figured I was a safe target. I was a skinny thing. You could see my ribs as there was no muscle in the way. This one older kid would torture me every day on the bus. I was in 8th grade, he was in 11th. One day I had enough and told him "If I come back there, you'll regret it" which caused all his buddies to laugh at him so he threw something at me and I saw RED. I went into a rage and climbed over bus seats, people, gym bags and whatever else was there to get to him. I grabbed his hair and yanked his head down and pounded the back of his skull until I saw blood coming out of the other side. Then I hit him some more. I didn't stop until the bus driver pulled me off of him. He was dazed but when we got off the bus he wanted to fight again. My younger brother asked "why do you want to get hurt again" and we left him screeching like a girl.

The next day, his friends asked if I wanted to sit with them and sent him to sit with the younger kids on the bus. They announced "this 8th grader beat that 11th grader". That had to be worse than getting his ass beat. He never messed with me again, no one else did either. That bastard avoided me even when he saw me years later after school.

The bus driver never reported it, I think she hated him, too. The bully never reported it but tried to spin the story in his favor at school. Unfortunately for him, the eye witnesses called him out for lying.

I dealt with a lot of bullies as a kid. I was kind of quiet and bullies must not like that trait. Anyway, unfortunately for the bullies, I had an older brother that enjoyed violence. He considered it his duty to beat the crap out of anyone that bothered me.

https://youtu.be/-t8xSdtb8Yc


Its the scene from " The Accountant"

I'd have issue and a lawsuit with the teachers name on it. you wanna play some SJW bull with my kid, imma put the courts on you. I'm already teaching him that hitting people is bad, but hopefully he takes after his parents and have size. Bullying with words is one thing, but they touch you, daddy is gonna need a reason from the teacher why I shouldnt charge the other kid. And I mean documented special needs kind of reason. You dont bully, and you dont tolerate it.

Gotta add my 2¢ to this one. I was not the School Resource Officer, but was called to incidents at Middle and High School many times. I got the distinct impression that school personnel were reluctant to confront bullies. Within my humble experience, it was common for bullies to have "up-in-your-face" belligerent, bully type parents. If the school even said "Boo" to the bully, they had to deal with the bully's often belligerent parents. Much easier, less stressful, and in some cases probably safer, for school personnel to either say it was mutual, or create a new school-wide rule affecting everyone, rather than address the actual bully/bullies.....ymmv

BTW, We have a disabled son. His sister, a couple years older, was concerned that when he got into High School he would be beat up. Fortunately for all concerned, our son was big for his age and never suffered a beating like the kid at Resnick Middle school did.......

Not to mention, schools discourage ‘fighting back’ with policies that any fighting (even defensive) will get you suspended.

I have informed my children that they have every right to fight back and fight back HARD. I don’t care if they get suspended, we’ll take a fun vacation out of it if they do and I’ll make damn sure the school officials / school board find out about the situation.

Bullies understand only one thing - opposing force, usually via a fist, elbow, or knee.

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Originally posted by RHINOWSO:
Bullies understand only one thing - opposing force, usually via a fist, elbow, or knee.

Sometimes other stuff works too. When I was in high school a nerdling was being picked on by the school "bad ass". By the time the fight was over the bad ass was being pummeled (really hard) in the head with a metal lunch tray. Both of them looked like shit but the bully had a boat load of ego knocked out of him and the nerdling never had another "being picked on" problem. Neither one got suspended. We still talk about it at class reunions.

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Originally posted by 229DAK:

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her son was beaten bloody later the same day

Have the bullies who beat her son been arrested and charged with assault? Not mentioned in the article....

THAT is exactly what happens here for any fight. All parties are initially arrested and the judge sorts it out. Needless to say... we don't have a lot of fights in this district.

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Originally posted by RichardC:
https://youtu.be/-t8xSdtb8Yc


Its the scene from " The Accountant"

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Originally posted by YooperSigs:
. . .I think a lot of this bullying would go by the wayside if the schools would support the victim when he defends himself. This BS of taking action against both parties need to go. . .

^^^^^Yes, this! Nonsensical "zero tolerance" policies that require all participants in an altercation to be punished are vile, immoral, and just plain wrong.

The cure to bullying is to fight back. There is no other cure. If you refuse to be a soft target, the bully will move on to somebody who is more accommodating. By punishing the person who is defending himself against the bully, the school/system is only enabling more bullying.

^^^^^^ That, and

Schools cannot legislate bullying out of the experience, sad to say. The world is full of predators and prey...and this is how it plays out, bullies have to get their start somewhere. I have a theory that one or both of their parents are also bullies and that's where they learn it, but no empirical data to prove it.

Anyway, prey must fight back in order to stop being seen as - prey. Yes, I have experience with being seen as prey - until I fought back. Sounds like the experience is shared by many here. I also have a theory (again, no empirical data) that bullies tend to go on to be life's losers in many and varied ways. Warms the very cockles of me heart, it does...

Oh, and I've advised my sons that NO ONE puts their hands on them. If they do I expect them to fight back, ruthlessly - and promised that they would not be punished for it. One of the very few things my sperm donor did right - the one time I got suspended for 'ending it' when someone else started it - I never even got a 'talking-to', nevermind punished for it. He saw it as me doing what needed to be done, and he was right.

Sad that it's this way - but we're not that far removed from living in caves - predators and prey, nevermind the fancy cities and houses we live in, nowadays.

Keep in mind, in current days, the freaking TEACHERS are bullied by these pieces of shit.

And the administration does nothing.

Why bullies succeed in schools

1. Teachers and school administrators really don't want to deal with bullies
2. No bullies parent will ever acknowledge that their son or daughter is an asshole/bitch. They are a perfect angel and will fight the school with all legal means
3. Bullies aren't stupid, they are angels any time adults are around. The asshole/bitch comes out when no one is looking.
4. Fighting back is the best way to stop a bully. This is highly discouraged by schools as
- It sets a bad example for other students
- It forces officials to make a Fight or Self Defense judgement, they don't want to be making decisions.
- The afore mentioned judgement puts them on the bad side of one set of parents
5. They know if a bully gets disciplined, someone is really going to get it
6. They honestly have no IDEA how to deal with a bully.


It's really that simple. Talk all you want, raise awareness, enact no-tolerance bullying policies, but little will change.

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A good friend of mine has two daughters who he enrolled in a Karate class. That was around 10 years ago. They were age 6 and 8.

He claims that to this day nobody messes with his daughters.

^^^^^this should be a societal expectation that all girls receive martial arts training from grade-school into adulthood.

I was always too big to be bullied, physically, but around 6th grade, a group of kids decided to target me with their bullshit.

So, once I identified them all, one by one by I confronted them. Some I physically fought, some I insulted in creative ways that surpised them, others I targeted for harassment by myself and my friends. After they found out I was eager to take them on or had a taste of their own medicine, it stopped. And by the 8th grade, I was six feet tall and could stomp most of them if I wanted, so that never was a problem. It was probably one of the most important life lessons I ever had....confront the aggressor and engage him.

I still say don’t punish the child that is the bully..... but severely beat the parent(s) of said bully! Shit flows downhill!

I'd say remove the bullies from the parents, but thats! probably what they ( the parents) are hoping for