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Originally posted by rtquig:


One of her drum line members came up to me and said she heard I was the main suspect in yesterdays evacuation and lock down. As far as I know only the teachers with me at the time of the incident heard what I was being asked, yet a school 30 miles away think I am a suspect? I don't know what the actual problem was, could it be an intruder? I don't know but I do know I don't like my name being put out as a suspect.

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Originally posted by mlazarus:
You do have rights on a military base but many of the fourth amendment protections are waived by your entry.

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Originally posted by radioman:
Places I try to avoid because I have limited rights there:

Mil bases
secure part of an airport
inside of a courthouse / Sheriff's office / jail
some concert venues
larger pro sports stadiums
federal buildings
Indian Casinos (and perhaps other tribal property)

Hey wait, these are the places I cannot CCW.
(Schools are still ok in my state)

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Originally posted by SgtGold:
I assume you work at Joint Base Dix-McGuire? Is this the incident you're talking about?

https://www.tuffwriter.com

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Originally posted by Sig2340:

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Originally posted by mlazarus:
You do have rights on a military base but many of the fourth amendment protections are waived by your entry.

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While you voluntarily waived your rights under the Second and Fourth Amendments the Constitution of the United States (the Second only as it applies to bringing arms onto the installation and Fourth only insofar as it relates to property brought onto the installation, i.e., the waiver does not extend to searches of your house off the installation) by entering onto the installation, the minute you were detained by agents of the federal government who began asking you investigatory questions, you should have immediately invoked the balance of your rights under the Constitution, specifically Amendments One, Four, Five, Six, Eight, Nine, Ten and Fourteen.

For example when they began asking about specific items and whether they were yours, I would have asked them about the nature of their inquiry and what led them to think that those items might be yours. Had they refused to provide a reasonable answer, I would have invoked my 5th Amendment right under the Constitution to remain silent so that I do not incriminate myself.

People think that I am overboard in my response, and I merely say see Scooter Libby. Or Martha Stewart. Or Lieutenant General Flynn. All (and many others) were convicted of misleading investigators due to inconsistencies in statements made (and not always under oath) two investigators. I am simply not going to take that risk. No longer do I trust the government with my freedom or to represent my interests in any way shape or form in any criminal investigation even if I am not the target of that investigation

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Originally posted by SigJacket:

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Originally posted by SgtGold:
I assume you work at Joint Base Dix-McGuire? Is this the incident you're talking about?

https://www.tuffwriter.com

Don’t think that’s the link you wanted.

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Originally posted by jljones:

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Originally posted by Sig2340:

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Originally posted by mlazarus:
You do have rights on a military base but many of the fourth amendment protections are waived by your entry.

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THIS

While you voluntarily waived your rights under the Second and Fourth Amendments the Constitution of the United States (the Second only as it applies to bringing arms onto the installation and Fourth only insofar as it relates to property brought onto the installation, i.e., the waiver does not extend to searches of your house off the installation) by entering onto the installation, the minute you were detained by agents of the federal government who began asking you investigatory questions, you should have immediately invoked the balance of your rights under the Constitution, specifically Amendments One, Four, Five, Six, Eight, Nine, Ten and Fourteen.

For example when they began asking about specific items and whether they were yours, I would have asked them about the nature of their inquiry and what led them to think that those items might be yours. Had they refused to provide a reasonable answer, I would have invoked my 5th Amendment right under the Constitution to remain silent so that I do not incriminate myself.

People think that I am overboard in my response, and I merely say see Scooter Libby. Or Martha Stewart. Or Lieutenant General Flynn. All (and many others) were convicted of misleading investigators due to inconsistencies in statements made (and not always under oath) two investigators. I am simply not going to take that risk. No longer do I trust the government with my freedom or to represent my interests in any way shape or form in any criminal investigation even if I am not the target of that investigation

Hey, also don’t forget to ask them “Am I being detained?” And also remind them that you don’t want to create “joinder” with them. They like that a lot, and it’ll help you out greatly.

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Originally posted by stoic-one:
Entry is consent to search on almost if not all bases, I'll bet you'll see signs posted as you enter stating such.

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Originally posted by ensigmatic:
In a word: No.

I had a friend that was a girl, back right after I'd gotten out of the Army. She asked to borrow my car. Unbeknownst to me, what she wanted it for was to go try to sell some pot on base. Somebody she sold to was an informant for the MPs and she got popped. I got a call telling me I needed to get over to the MP station immediately and open the trunk for them so they could complete the search, or they'd bust it open. Furthermore: If they found anything in the trunk, for which she'd had no keys, they'd seize my car.

Luckily it was but a five-minute walk to the base. Arriving at the gate I explained why I was there and asked if an MP could come fetch me, which they did.

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Originally posted by jljones:

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Originally posted by Sig2340:

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Originally posted by mlazarus:
You do have rights on a military base but many of the fourth amendment protections are waived by your entry.

∆∆∆∆∆∆∆∆∆∆∆∆∆∆∆
THIS

While you voluntarily waived your rights under the Second and Fourth Amendments the Constitution of the United States (the Second only as it applies to bringing arms onto the installation and Fourth only insofar as it relates to property brought onto the installation, i.e., the waiver does not extend to searches of your house off the installation) by entering onto the installation, the minute you were detained by agents of the federal government who began asking you investigatory questions, you should have immediately invoked the balance of your rights under the Constitution, specifically Amendments One, Four, Five, Six, Eight, Nine, Ten and Fourteen.

For example when they began asking about specific items and whether they were yours, I would have asked them about the nature of their inquiry and what led them to think that those items might be yours. Had they refused to provide a reasonable answer, I would have invoked my 5th Amendment right under the Constitution to remain silent so that I do not incriminate myself.

People think that I am overboard in my response, and I merely say see Scooter Libby. Or Martha Stewart. Or Lieutenant General Flynn. All (and many others) were convicted of misleading investigators due to inconsistencies in statements made (and not always under oath) two investigators. I am simply not going to take that risk. No longer do I trust the government with my freedom or to represent my interests in any way shape or form in any criminal investigation even if I am not the target of that investigation

Hey, also don’t forget to ask them “Am I being detained?” And also remind them that you don’t want to create “joinder” with them. They like that a lot, and it’ll help you out greatly.

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Originally posted by radioman:
Places I try to avoid because I have limited rights there:

Mil bases
secure part of an airport
inside of a courthouse / Sheriff's office / jail
some concert venues
larger pro sports stadiums
federal buildings
Indian Casinos (and perhaps other tribal property)

Hey wait, these are the places I cannot CCW.
(Schools are still ok in my state)

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Originally posted by reloader-1:
2340, that wasn’t an ad hominem attack - he never said anything about you, your qualifications or your background.

Instead, he addressed your point with a follow on, and a quite valid one from a layman’s perspective. There is a fine line between cooperation and obstruction, and crossing that line would tend to incur the close scrutiny of nearly anyone, LE or not.

Jones was calling that out, methinks.