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Originally posted by lyman:
is there a sigforum meet up spot?

My wife and I are planning on parking at The Diamond and taking the shuttle that's running to the capitol grounds.

We're also planning on staying toward the outer edge of things, be there to add to the numbers. We're not going into the "pen" or any place where we will be disarmed.

If this is along the lines of what others are thinking, let's coordinate.

SB35 sounds like it could enable the ban of arms on the Capitol grounds, etc. to be enacted permanently, as well as possibly extend to bans of having items in your trunk in government buildings and grounds by locality for events. My concern would be prohibition in parks; there's an 1100 acre park within a mile of me I love to walk in good weather. Know of one murder of an elderly lady in a somewhat isolated part of it several years ago.

Edit: I don't see this mentioned on the VSSA or VCDL sites so it may not be official but...an article on Breitbart is saying Prince William (for the moment) is letting their 2A declaration remain even with switching to a D led Board of Supervisors.

https://www.breitbart.com/poli...ter-public-backlash/

Or you could become part of West Virginia. The door is open:

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http://redstatewatcher.com/article.asp?id=158800

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BREAKING: West Virginia legislature invites Virginia 2nd Amendment counties to join their state

From West Virginia's HOUSE CONCURRENT RESOLUTION 8: "Whereas, In the latest, and most evident, in this string of grievances, the government at Richmond now seeks to place intolerable restraints upon the rights guaranteed under the Second Amendment of the United States Constitution to the citizens of that Commonwealth; and..."

HOUSE CONCURRENT RESOLUTION 8

(By Delegates Howell, Summers, Shott, Householder, C. Martin, Hott, Graves, Cadle, Barnhart, J. Jeffries, Maynard, Phillips, Foster, Hamrick, Steele, D. Jeffries, Wilson, Waxman, Bartlett, Paynter and Linville)

[Introduced January 14, 2020]

Providing for an election to be had, pending approval of the General Assembly of the Commonwealth of Virginia, and a majority of qualified citizens voting upon the proposition prior to August 1, 2020, for the admission of certain counties and independent cities of the Commonwealth of Virginia to be admitted to the State of West Virginia as constituent counties, under the provisions of Article VI, Section 11 of the Constitution of West Virginia

Whereas, The Legislature of West Virginia finds that in 1863, due to longstanding perceived attitudes of neglect for the interests of the citizens of Western Virginia, and a studied failure to address the differences which had grown between the counties of Western Virginia and the government at Richmond, the Commonwealth of Virginia was irretrievably divided, and the new State of West Virginia was formed; and


Whereas, Such division occurred as the Trans-Allegheny portions of Virginia perceived that they suffered under an inequitable measure of taxation by which they bore a disproportionate share of the tax burden; and

Whereas, That this perception was further compounded by the effects of a scheme of representation by which Trans-Allegheny Virginia was not allowed to have its proper and equitable share of representation in the government at Richmond; and

Whereas, That this arrangement arguably resulted in the tax dollars of Trans-Allegheny Virginia being used to enrich the Tidewater through internal improvements which did not benefit the people of Western Virginia, while the people of the Trans-Allegheny had little to no say in how their tax dollars were allocated; and

Whereas, Though this course led to an irreconcilable division, and the subsequent formation of West Virginia, yet, the longstanding peaceful cooperation between this State and the Commonwealth of Virginia is a sign that such separation, undertaken even under the most challenging and onerous of circumstances, can, with the passage of time, yield lasting results which are beneficial to both sides; and

Whereas, In the intervening years, the same neglect for the interests of many of the remaining counties of the Commonwealth of Virginia has allegedly been evidenced by the government at Richmond; and

Whereas, Particularly, many citizens of the Southside, the Shenandoah Valley, Southwestern Virginia, and the Piedmont contend that an inequitable measure of taxation exists by which they bear a disproportionate share of the present tax burden of the Commonwealth; and

Whereas, The people of the Southside, the Shenandoah Valley, Southwestern Virginia, and the Piedmont also believe that, currently, a scheme of representation exists by which the citizens of Southside, the Shenandoah Valley, Southwestern Virginia, and the Piedmont do not have a proper share of representation in the government at Richmond; and, consequently

Whereas, The people of the Southside, the Shenandoah Valley, Southwestern Virginia, and the Piedmont believe that their tax dollars are used to enrich the Tidewater and Northern Virginia through internal improvements which do not benefit the people of these other parts of Virginia, while the people of these other parts of Virginia have little to no say in how their tax dollars are allocated; and

Whereas, In recent days, these tensions have been compounded by a perception of contempt on the part of the government at Richmond for the differences in certain fundamental political and societal principles which prevail between the varied counties and cities of that Commonwealth; and

Whereas, In the latest, and most evident, in this string of grievances, the government at Richmond now seeks to place intolerable restraints upon the rights guaranteed under the Second Amendment of the United States Constitution to the citizens of that Commonwealth; and

Whereas, The Legislative body of West Virginia believes that this latest action defies the wise counsel which has come down to us in the august words of our common Virginia Founders: as the government at Richmond now repudiates the counsel of that tribune of liberty, Patrick Henry-who stated to the Virginia Ratifying Convention in 1788 that “The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able might have a gun”; and

Whereas, The government at Richmond now repudiates the counsel of a Signer of the Declaration and premier advocate of American independence, Richard Henry Lee-who stated in The Federal Farmer that “To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms”; and

Whereas, The government at Richmond now repudiates the counsel of that zealous guardian of our inherent rights, George Mason-who stated that “To disarm the people…[i]s the most effectual way to enslave them”; and

Whereas, The government at Richmond now repudiates the counsel of the declaimer of our independence and theoretician of our freedoms, Thomas Jefferson-who stated in his first draft of the Virginia Constitution, that “No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms”; and

Whereas, The Boards of Supervisors of many Virginia counties and the Councils of many Virginia cities have recognized this dangerous departure from the doctrine of the Founders on the part of the government at Richmond; and

Whereas, These Boards of Supervisors and Councils have passed resolutions refusing to countenance what they affirm are unwarranted and unconstitutional measures by that government to infringe the firearm rights of Virginians; and

Whereas, The actions of the government at Richmond undertaken since the recent general election have, regrettably, resulted in unproductive contention and escalating a lamentable state of civic tension; and

Whereas, That, as has been proven in numerous instances, such as have been observed internationally in more recent times with the peaceful dissolutions of Czechoslovakia and the Soviet Union, and the creation of South Sudan, or, earlier in Virginia’s own history, with the formation of Kentucky, the peaceful partition of neighboring peoples can occur, and, is often very beneficial to both sides in reducing tensions and improving the tenor of discourse over ongoing political and societal differences; and

Whereas, Article VI, Section 11 of The Constitution of the State of West Virginia explicitly permits additional territory to be admitted into, and become part of this state, with the consent of the Legislature and of a majority of the qualified voters of the state; and

Whereas, In a spirit of conciliation, the Legislature of West Virginia hereby extends an invitation to our fellow Virginians who wish to do so, to join us in our noble experiment of 156 years of separation from the government at Richmond; and, we extend an invitation to any constituent county or city of the Commonwealth of Virginia to be admitted to the body politic of the State of West Virginia, under the conditions set forth in our state Constitution, specifically, with the consent of a majority of the voters of such county or city voting upon such proposition; and we hereby covenant that their many grievances shall be addressed, and, we further covenant with them that their firearms rights shall be protected to the fullest extent possible under our Federal and State Constitutions; and

Whereas, Providing that the General Assembly of the Commonwealth of Virginia shall give its assent to any county or independent city presently part of the Commonwealth of Virginia having the opportunity and ability to do so, therefore, be it

Resolved by the Legislature of West Virginia:

That the question of admission, or, the rejection of such admission, of any county or independent city of the Commonwealth of Virginia desiring admission to the State of West Virginia, and a majority of whose qualified voters, voting on the question, have approved such measure, prior to August 1, 2020, shall be submitted to the voters of the State of West Virginia at the next general election to be held in the year 2020.

Such proposal shall be placed upon the general election ballot in the following form: “Shall the following county (or independent city) _____________________(name), currently a constituent part of the Commonwealth of Virginia, be admitted to the State of West Virginia as a constituent county of the State of West Virginia.”

Should the General Assembly of the Commonwealth of Virginia give its assent to any county or independent city presently part of the Commonwealth of Virginia having the opportunity to do so, and such county or independent city desiring admission to the State of West Virginia, and a majority of whose qualified voters, voting on the question, not have approved such measure prior to August 1, 2020, but do approve such measure at a later date;

Then, this provision of this Act shall serve as an official request of the Legislature of West Virginia to the Governor of West Virginia to call a special session of this Legislature to provide for a special election to provide for the approval of the admission, or, the rejection of such admission, of such county or independent city; and, be it

Further Resolved, That the Legislature directs that the Clerk of the House forward copies of this resolution to the Board of Supervisors of each county in the Commonwealth of Virginia who have voted to become sanctuary counties for firearms rights, and to the Council of each independent city in the Commonwealth of Virginia who have voted to become sanctuary cities for firearms rights; and, be it

Further Resolved, That the Legislature directs that the Clerk of the House forward copies of this resolution to the Clerk of the House of Delegates and Clerk of the Senate of the General Assembly of the Commonwealth of Virginia and requests, in a spirit of peace and goodwill, that the General Assembly will allow this measure for the peaceful transfer of peoples and the restoration of harmony to the Virginias; and, further requests, in a continuance of such spirit, that any firearms legislation proposed by that body have an effective date far enough into the future so that this exchange of peoples and territory could be accomplished before the effective date of such legislation.

via wvlegislature.gov

https://mailchi.mp/7c5b495c1a0...gun-ban?e=97fe860a1e

Yesterday, January 15, Governor Northam declared a temporary state of emergency and banned the carrying & possession of weapons on Capitol Square in Richmond from 5:00 pm Friday, January 17 to 5:00 pm on Tuesday, January 21.

Today, the legal teams of both VCDL and Gun Owners of America (GOA) sought an injunction against enforcement of Northam's Executive Order No. 49 (EO-49). Unfortunately, the Circuit Court denied our request for an injunction.

Both VCDL and GOA believe the court erred in it's decision and our legal team immediately filed an Emergency Petition for Review with the Virginia Supreme Court.

Updates to follow.

Little bit of levity with a shoutout to us guys here in VA.

Apparently gun owners won't be the only ones going to the march/rally

https://dailycaller.com/2020/0...protesters-virginia/

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Originally posted by BBMW:
Apparently gun owners won't be the only ones going to the march/rally

https://dailycaller.com/2020/0...protesters-virginia/

There's a lot of confusion on the VA facebook gun page in regard to how to deal with Antifa.

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Originally posted by RAMIUS:

quote:

Originally posted by BBMW:
Apparently gun owners won't be the only ones going to the march/rally

https://dailycaller.com/2020/0...protesters-virginia/

There's a lot of confusion on the VA facebook gun page in regard to how to deal with Antifa.

Ignore them. We have 4 or 5 other groups holding their lobby day on the same day. Let them do their thing, let us do ours.


For those out of state folks that keep saying recall northam, here is a rundown of how that would happen.

The Red Flag law shelved for the day over ammendments.

quote:

Originally posted by RAMIUS:

quote:

Originally posted by BBMW:
Apparently gun owners won't be the only ones going to the march/rally

https://dailycaller.com/2020/0...protesters-virginia/

There's a lot of confusion on the VA facebook gun page in regard to how to deal with Antifa.

Nothing to deal with...these guys are standing with the pro-2nd protesters....

“I think it’s been pretty important for us to focus on the fact that gun control in America has a legacy of racist enforcement,” an Antifa Seven Hills spokesperson called James"

I don’t trust anyone in Antifa. They might just be saying that to infiltrate groups so they can start fights and agitate.

EXACTLY, stickman!! Trust (maybe), but VERIFY!!!

I’ll do everything I can to make that come true.

Some of the organizers are thinking about calling for a stand down

Stay frosty friends!




Link to original video: https://youtu.be/C_op29cQw8c




Link to original video: https://youtu.be/2PeYUBJXpAw

I just got a call from a friend, trying to get in touch with another friend who's going to Richmond on Monday. Evidently, there's a push on to take anybody who's wearing any sort of logo/insignia/patch and try to link them (by way of displayed insignia) to hate groups and groups deemed by SPLC (Southern Poverty Law Center) to be "domestic terror" groups.

I see this going down very poorly.

Hey Guys,

Some have mentioned possibly getting together for safety. If you have an email listed in your profile I sent one to you. If not, feel free to email me.

UPDATE: Virginia Supreme Court rejects gun groups' bid to overturn Northam's gun ban

https://www.richmond.com/news/...5a-239647ecaa12.html

Citing the "extraordinary" nature of an injunction, the "weighty issues" involved and a lack of sufficient information, the Virginia Supreme Court Friday evening refused an emergency petition seeking to bar enforcement of Gov. Ralph Northam's temporary gun ban on the grounds of the state Capitol.

The ruling leaves in place the ban Northam imposed earlier this week, citing concerns about public safety at a gun-rights rally planned for Monday at the state Capitol that organizers say could draw 50,000 people. Northam's order bars guns and other weapons from Capitol Square from Friday night through Tuesday night.

A Richmond Circuit Court judge had upheld the ban late Thursday. Gun Owners of America, The Virginia Citizens Defense League and others appealed that decision to the Virginia Supreme Court.

In a two-page order Friday, the justices wrote: "Under the circumstances, we are unable to discern whether the circuit court abused its discretion.

"The circuit court decided this case in less than one day, and, accordingly, the record before the court is scant, there is no transcript or written statement of facts detailing the events of the hearing, and we are unaware of any evidence that was taken. The only information we have on which to resolve the weighty issues raised by the parties are pleadings accompanied by cursory attachments. Accordingly, the petition is refused."

The firearms-rights advocates filed a lawsuit in Richmond Circuit Court Thursday against Northam and Capitol Police Chief Steve Pike, whose agency would enforce the ban. The complaint includes three citizen plaintiffs who say they were planning to attend Monday’s rally with their firearms.

"Without relief from this court, petitioners and thousands of other rally participants will be irreparably denied their right to bear arms," they argued in their emergency appeal.

Judge Joi J. Taylor presided over a hearing Thursday afternoon and ruled against the plaintiffs just as court closed for a four-day weekend, prompting the appeal to the Virginia Supreme Court.

Virginia Attorney General Mark Herring argued Friday that Taylor did not abuse her discretion in denying a bid to block Northam's executive order.

The attorney general argued, among other things, that the order does not violate the right to bear arms; that there is no constitutional right to carry firearms in Capitol Square; that there is no violation of free speech or assembly; and that any restriction is justified by the interests in protecting public safety.
"The governor is vested with the power to take action from time to time as is necessary for the adequate promotion and coordination of state and local emergency services activities relating to the safety and welfare of the commonwealth," Taylor wrote in her three-page ruling.

"The plaintiffs in this case will not suffer an irreparable harm sufficient to justify the injunction," she added.

Lawyers for the firearms-rights groups did not immediately respond to requests for comment.

Carl Tobias, a professor at the University of Richmond School of Law, said it is possible the gun-rights advocates could appeal to the U.S. Supreme Court. "But I don't think they are going to get much of a reception there, either," he said.

"As the court says, it's such a weighty matter; it's the 11th hour; it's just too important a question about the 1st and 2nd Amendments and an emergency to rush to judgment. I think they're saying, better safe than sorry," said Tobias.

Northam said Thursday, "I took this action to protect Virginians from credible threats of violence. These threats are real." Earlier this week, the FBI arrested three men in Maryland and Delaware who are alleged white nationalists or neo-Nazis and who discussed plans to head to Richmond armed with guns.

Northam issued the temporary ban on firearms and other weapons in advance of the rally organized by the VCDL to protest gun control legislation Democratic lawmakers are proposing.

From what I hear, protestors would be in a fenced off area with only one entry/exit present.

This has all the makings of another deliberately planned Charlottesville type scenario with hoped for violence.
No thanks.

For those of you going, I wonder if it would be better to protest outside the fencing and refuse to enter.