Honestly, I could care less if it's legalized or not, but NO gray area, just like alcohol, it's either legal or it isn't! Further, just as with alcohol, it's use in public areas should have appropriate restrictions. That said, if it is to be legalized, that should NOT happen until there is an absolutely reliable & accurate, scientific test that will determine exactly how intoxicated/stoned the user is (as in measured Blood-THC level) and defined legal limits re: operation of a motor vehicle...And not one second sooner, Period!

quote:

So are opium poppies and coca leaves.....

why, yes..., yes, they are

quote:

Originally posted by bdylan:
Our legalization threads are Groundhog Day.

Always a fun read.

I love watching supporters of freedom and libertarians duke it out over this.

I’m fairly sure the “medical uses” of psychedelics are BS.

Proper ketamine therapy can work wonders on PTSD, but the doses are not high enough to intoxicate.

jLJones. How much cancer treatment have you gone through? You seem to be an expert. Please enlighten me.

quote:

Originally posted by Imabmwnut:
jLJones. How much cancer treatment have you gone through? You seem to be an expert. Please enlighten me.

None. Nor do I have to. People with a hint of common sense don’t fall for it.

But, I have seen the “medical marijuana” scam repeated continually.

The “if you hate legalizing weed, you hate cancer patients” guilt tripping is nonsense. The pattern is the same. And the same scam gets run. And in the end, the scam is about tax dollars.

Plus, no one goes to jail for weed. Not recreational users, not cancer patients. Cancer patients, and recreational users, have a plethora of weed to choose from right now. Let’s stop pretending it doesn’t exist unless we legalize it. This is as it has always been……about tax revenue.

The “War on Drugs” nonsense becomes “war on untaxed drugs” as the cartels continue to flood our streets with weed.

[quote]I’m fairly sure the “medical uses” of psychedelics are BS.[/quote.
^^^^^^^^
I saw Timothy Leary speak in person. LSD put holes in his brain. It is all about tax revenue these days.

The following is anecdotal. Jr Darthfuster #1 is dead today because of substance addiction. He left a wife and child behind. Was it marijuana that killed him? Not directly. It was his gateway drug.

It may not everyone’s gateway drug just like not everyone is an alcoholic, but it was for him. At the end of his life while lay on the table at the ER with all of the reviving tubes and wires hanging off of him, I could easily connect the dots from beginning to end. It started with marijuana.

I think legalizing it the way it has been is a mistake and a fig leaf for easing access. My opinion. I didn’t arrive at it without direct experience.

I’m sorry to hear that, DF.

That is heartbreaking. I am so sorry to hear this, DF.

JLJones. No matter what you say,I’m glad and I hope you or any member of your family doesn’t ever have to find out. I felt you are looking down your nose at me. I don’t tolerate it.

I can tell you in my household it was deemed ineffective. The patches work. The anti-nausea drugs work.

quote:

Originally posted by Mars_Attacks:

quote:

Originally posted by Mr. Peteroniman:
if you can't grow it yourself, it's still illegal
it's a freakin plant

So are opium poppies and coca leaves.....

That brings up an interesting point, these plants have been around us as long as the human race has existed. In fact humans have used them for many reasons for centuries, and the human race did not disappear.

What really makes them dangerous is concentrating the active ingredients beyond what is in the natural plant. Cocoa leaves were chewed for centuries and only when synthesized to create cocaine was there a problem. The psychedelics have also had a long use by humans.

It is only in very recent human history that these plants have been regulated or prohibited.

So why are humans attracted to substances that alter our perception?

On the religious aspect, the bible talks about plants and herbs being created for man's use.

It also talks about being a drunkard, a glutton or worshipping riches. So can humans try to replace God with too much alcohol, food, money, or plants that alter the mind?

God created all things, but all things can be misused. Knowing this God still does not eliminate the things which can help us and also destroy us. He allows us to choose what to do unlike the almighty government that knows what is in our best interest.

So is government wiser than God?

Opium wars.
One country learned its lesson. We did not

Trying to steer this thread back on track. The point of the Florida law is that it’s very poorly written to give exactly 1 company a monopoly to sell and immunity from lawsuits. Regardless of your position of legality or smoking it or cancer treatment or your glaucoma, This amendment 3 vote is a horrific piece of potential law.

I can’t stand visiting these states that have legalized it and smelling pot as you walk around their streets. The states that I have visited that have legalized it don’t seem better off than before.

I am not in favor of legalizing, let the progressive states legalize it and let all the dopers move to those states.

quote:

Originally posted by HK Ag:
I can’t stand visiting these states that have legalized it and smelling pot as you walk around their streets. The states that I have visited that have legalized it don’t seem better off than before.

I am not in favor of legalizing, let the progressive states legalize it and let all the dopers move to those states.

Kind of where I'm at. It's not on the ballot here, but if it were I'd vote to keep it illegal. It's not making the world a better place, and the negatives definitely outweigh the positives, IMO. I don't think we need to be locking people up for using it in their own home at this point, but I don't see any benefit in making it more prevalent and easier to get, either.

All that said, it's far from the primary issue for me. I actually voted for a Libertarian for governor this year because I can't stand our spineless, swamp-creature Republican candidate who kowtowed to the BLMers back in 2020. I have an easier time getting behind somebody who supports legalization that I do that guy.

quote:

I can tell you in my household it was deemed ineffective. The patches work. The anti-nausea drugs work.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Controlling nausea during chemotherapy is a problem. Marijuana is not at the top of the list for controlling nausea.

quote:

Originally posted by mrvmax:

quote:

Originally posted by StorminNormin:
Marijuana just needs to be decriminalized federally in my opinion. I have never heard of a person dying from smoking too much weed, or going crazy and hurting anyone after using it only. It should be treated the same as alcohol or tobacco with age restrictions.

I used to think that, but it is not the same today as it was when I was young. Today it seems to be much more potent, I was regularly around friends who perpetually smoke MJ when I was young (in the 70’s and 80’s) and they all functioned fine. Talking to people who have used it in the last 10 years, they’ve said it’s affects are much greater than it used to be.

I would think taking the increased potency into account would mitigate the problem.
But when it became legal here, I was surprised to learn from the kids at work that it can take up to 2 hours for edible effects to start. It seems some people become impatient and consume more too early and get somewhere they don't want to be.

It seems unpredictable. Compared to alcohol, if you drink a pint of beer, a pint of wine, or a pint of whiskey, you have a pretty good idea of what to expect.

And then I read in the paper about someone w/ a background in chemistry or some such that quit working at one of the pot testing labs because the people who ran it would fudge the thc content numbers ^ for their preferred customers.

It's amazing at how morally bankrupt we are becoming as a whole. Some people try to compare it to alcohol and say we can drink legally and it is just another type of vice. I don't care what you want to do but when as many people who want to smoke dope, shoot up, snort or drink away their lives and even hurt others while doing it, tells you something about a nation/government.