Quite the opposite, it's 2021 and they've already brainwashed half the population (at least) to go along with this. Think about what they drilling into the kids brains now. By 2035 anyone older than 4 YO no will be voting. They'll happily go along. They won't what the old curmudgeons like us think or want. By then, the millennials will be running the country.

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Originally posted by BBMW:
As some point they likely won't be allowed to sell new ICE powered cars if they wanted to.

And you don't see that, and many other unconstitutional overreaches causing an eventual major pushback by the citizens of this country. Not all of us are mentally retarded and believe things just happen because government decrees it.

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Originally posted by caneau:
Give them a 500 mile range and 5 minute charging and the safety, cabin space, and road noise benefits will outweigh whatever emotions are left for gas engines.

Just as long as we agree that what you've pointed to is complete fantasy at this point with 'zero' confirmed innovations pending to change that paradigm.

And when all these batteries wear out we'll be burying them in the same hole as the wind mills and solar panels.

No. I'm guessing they'll be forced to recycle them, whether doing so is economically viable or not (which is the description of this whole situation.)

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Originally posted by kr350psd:
And when all these batteries wear out we'll be burying them in the same hole as the wind mills and solar panels.

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Originally posted by BBMW:
Quite the opposite, it's 2021 and they've already brainwashed half the population (at least) to go along with this. Think about what they drilling into the kids brains now. By 2035 anyone older than 4 YO no will be voting. They'll happily go along. They won't what the old curmudgeons like us think or want. By then, the millennials will be running the country.

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Originally posted by bigdeal:

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Originally posted by BBMW:
As some point they likely won't be allowed to sell new ICE powered cars if they wanted to.

And you don't see that, and many other unconstitutional overreaches causing an eventual major pushback by the citizens of this country. Not all of us are mentally retarded and believe things just happen because government decrees it.

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Originally posted by caneau:
Give them a 500 mile range and 5 minute charging and the safety, cabin space, and road noise benefits will outweigh whatever emotions are left for gas engines.

Just as long as we agree that what you've pointed to is complete fantasy at this point with 'zero' confirmed innovations pending to change that paradigm.

What fantasy? 300 miles and 20 minute charges are possible today and weren't 15 years ago. In another 15 years what I suggest is completely reasonable.

And being a millenial myself, thanks! I really hope I'll be in a position of wealth and power by then. Appreciate the support!

My son and one of my nephews both bought Tesla model 3s. They are both extremely bright, ie. chemical engineer, MBA, etc., and neither one of them was motivated by 'saving the planet' or 'going green'. Best 5-7 years cost of ownership over similar sedans, ie. BMW et al.

And 0-60 in about 4 seconds is a bonus.

And the model 3 got the highest safety ratings of any vehicle ever tested by the NHTSA.

And the reality is for the vast majority of us the range limitations would not be a problem. Traveling cross country is doable, albeit more of a pain in the ass if you don't like stopping every few hours. But the trade off is that day in and day out you never have to go to a gas station.

I am very skeptical of the environmental benefits of EVs due to battery manufacturing and disposal. And most places are still burning fossil fuels to charge the EV.

BUT, make no mistake, EVs are the future and they will stand on their own for performance and convenience.

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Originally posted by caneau:. . . What fantasy? 300 miles and 20 minute charges are possible today and weren't 15 years ago. In another 15 years what I suggest is completely reasonable.. . .

And what if, in say 15 years from now, someone like AOC controls the full electric grid in the US, including generation and distribution. How reliable and economical will access to electricity be??

Let me put in another way. I don't care what powers my car. I really don't. It can be gas. It can be electric. It can be a Mr. Fusion unit or ground up unicorn horn. Makes no difference. I have no fond memories of big blocks and I've never owned a V8 in my life. I don't work on my car and have no desire to do so. My car is an emotionless appliance and if it said Maytag on the side I wouldn't notice.

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Originally posted by caneau:
What fantasy? 300 miles and 20 minute charges are possible today and weren't 15 years ago. In another 15 years what I suggest is completely reasonable.

And being a millenial myself, thanks! I really hope I'll be in a position of wealth and power by then. Appreciate the support!

I don't think people are realizing how fast this technology is moving forward.

Yes it's expensive but we all know that prices will continue to drop as the technology evolves.
The reality is you will be able to drive 500 miles on a single charge with the NEXT GEN Tesla model S.

Range for the new Model S Tesla are listed below.

LR 412 miles

Plaid version 390 miles

Plaid+ version 520 miles

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Originally posted by caneau:. . . What fantasy? 300 miles and 20 minute charges are possible today and weren't 15 years ago. In another 15 years what I suggest is completely reasonable.. . .

And what if, in say 15 years from now, someone like AOC controls the full electric grid in the US, including generation and distribution. How reliable and economical will access to electricity be??

Then the car I'm driving is the least of my worries.

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And when all these batteries wear out we'll be burying them in the same hole as the wind mills and solar panels.

Tesla working on recycling capability currently at the plant in Nevada and Shanghai. They figure 60% of the components can be recycled currently. They working on technology to get it to towards 80%

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And what if, in say 15 years from now, someone like AOC controls the full electric grid in the US, including generation and distribution. How reliable and economical will access to electricity be??

Forget AOC. Joe Biden recently gave China access to our power grid.

Never owned a GM product and apparently I never will.

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Originally posted by Scoutmaster:
And what if, in say 15 years from now, someone like AOC controls the full electric grid in the US, including generation and distribution. How reliable and economical will access to electricity be??

Forget AOC. Joe Biden recently gave China access to our power grid.

What does that even mean? Unless you're being facetious.

520 miles of range in the next gen Tesla is impressive. I didn't know it was already announced.

^^^If only he were being facetious. Beijing Biden is doing everything he can to make America a vassal state of the ChiComs:

https://www.washingtonexaminer...ol-u-s-electric-grid

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Originally posted by Scoutmaster:

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Originally posted by caneau:. . . What fantasy? 300 miles and 20 minute charges are possible today and weren't 15 years ago. In another 15 years what I suggest is completely reasonable.. . .

And what if, in say 15 years from now, someone like AOC controls the full electric grid in the US, including generation and distribution. How reliable and economical will access to electricity be??

If that's really your main concern... wouldn't that sort of politician shut down all the gas stations before they started working on the power grid?

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Originally posted by Scoutmaster:

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Originally posted by caneau:. . . What fantasy? 300 miles and 20 minute charges are possible today and weren't 15 years ago. In another 15 years what I suggest is completely reasonable.. . .

And what if, in say 15 years from now, someone like AOC controls the full electric grid in the US, including generation and distribution. How reliable and economical will access to electricity be??

If that's really your main concern... wouldn't that sort of politician shut down all the gas stations before they started working on the power grid?

My main concern is I don't trust those running the show.

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Originally posted by 1s1k:
Just like everything follow the money.

When its corporate and/or private investment money investing in tangible, real, innovation, yes. When its government pushing fairy dust and unicorn farts with taxpayer money, then no. Undeniably, government completely screws up everything it meddles in, and as it reaches ever further into pushing EV's it will turn that market into a complete cluster____. The best thing government could ever do for EV and ICE tech is to stay as far as possible away from those markets. But unfortunately for everyone, government is too arrogant and too stupid to follow that advice.

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Originally posted by mcrimm:
What about hybrids? Our daughter just bought a Toyota Highlander Hybrid that gets something like 35 MPG. Our comparable SUV gets 22 MPG. That’s a 59% improvement for a small upcharge. And....no plug-in thingy.

Sorry my friend, but for mentally retarded liberals, good is not good enough, and they of course always know what is best for you, me, and the country. That's why we are trillions in debt and can't even figure out what bathrooms to use at Target.

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Originally posted by RAMIUS:
Uh...do they really want to tangle with Tesla?

Are they trying to destroy themselves?

Tesla will be just any other car soon.

If you truly believe this, you haven't been paying close attention the the EV market. Tesla's is way ahead currently in vehicle tech, but their self-driving automation is 100's of miles ahead of anyone else. Tesla may shift to becoming the number one supplier of software for vehicle automation in the future, and may open up their SuperCharger system via contracts to the other EV makers. Where do you think that lands them in the EV market overall? Tesla is positioned very well for the next wave of EV's.

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Originally posted by bigdeal:. . . Sorry my friend, but for mentally retarded liberals, good is not good enough, and they of course always know what is best for you, me, and the country. That's why we are trillions in debt and can't even figure out what bathrooms to use at Target.

There's another bingo.

When those in gov't run the show, they always serve themselves first and foremost. The general populace stand at the back of the line.