IDK I think he could be a funk soul brother.

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I feel similarly. If their performance is still acceptable , then I don’t give a damn what they are putting into their body outside of work.

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Pilots and doctors too? Drugs affect not only your ability to perform but cloud your judgement as well. Things need to change. In the 50s and 60s drunk driving was no big deal. That has
certainly changed.

The miliary has a zero tolerance policy, yet they still can recruit soldiers and marines.

Yep. See the highlighted text.

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Originally posted by bigdeal:
I feel similarly. If their performance is still acceptable, then I don’t give a damn what they are putting into their body outside of work. That attitude still hold if they show up drunk for work but can stumble around all day doing a half assed job? Just curious where the line is.

Showing up drunk for work doesn't quite line up with my red text. A bit of an extreme example there.

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Showing up drunk for work doesn't quite line up with my red text. A bit of an extreme example there.

Oh I don't know. When I worked construction for my uncle during the summers between each year of college, I frequently worked with people who were half (or more) in the bag. It amazed me what some of these guys could still do while being drunk enough I was uncomfortable being around them.

“The percentage of working Americans testing positive for drugs hit a two-decade high last year”.

That is just the lab results of urine tests; imagine if they could include the mouth swab tests by employers in stats. The numbers would likely be substantially higher. Add in the refusals of people that know they’re hot and just say “fuck it, I’m caught” and quit.

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None of that matters. I believe tatortodd is a bit light complected (like most of us here) so its just got to be his latent racism that's motivating his comments.

I used to have Dave Chapelle's Tyrone Biggums character as an animated gif for my avatar because it made me chuckle. After a year or two, I posted a picture of myself shooting my 338 magnum and I received quite a few "I thought you were black" comments.

BTW, here is a picture from my last family reunion:

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Which cracker are you? It seems all crackers look alike.

Hahahahhahahahaa

Got a 30 day facebook ban for jokingly calling a friend a cracker ass cracker after he posted a charcuterie board (cutting board with cheese, crackers, and meats, sometimes fruits).

Obviously a joke with no harm intended, but appeal was denied for racist, evil, and/or hate speech.

Black buddy just told me something I never knew, cracker has nothing to do with baked treats, but refers to cracking of whips. He also laughed that cracker is now a ban/suspend/jail word. Leftists are so weird, cracker is actually calling white people bad for an action that occurred in the past. It's historically accurate, makes sense, and is not a four letter word. Still banned...

I've often wondered over the years ,
What am I missing, what could I be enjoying.

I am not equipped to walk around baked , drunk or speeding.
I wish I could experience the chemically dependant and say
OH now I see what is so attractive.

But 50 years have passed and it eludes me still.

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Originally posted by Skins2881:
Black buddy just told me something I never knew, cracker has nothing to do with baked treats, but refers to cracking of whips. He also laughed that cracker is now a ban/suspend/jail word. Leftists are so weird, cracker is actually calling white people bad for an action that occurred in the past. It's historically accurate, makes sense, and is not a four letter word. Still banned...

I just finished the book “Black Rednecks and White Liberals” by Thomas Sowell. IIRC, he said the term “cracker” has its roots in a Scottish word where the redneck culture originated. It has nothing to do with the use of a whip. In fact, saying it comes from the Antebellum South is just a way for blacks to perpetuate their victimhood from slavery, and it was just as likely that the whip was employed by a black overseer.

It’s a good read. Very enlightening on the history of slavery, and not just U.S. slavery, but human slavery as a whole.

Here’s something I did not know. There’s a line in the USMC hymn that is there because white Americans were being taken as slaves by Africans, and Jefferson was having none of it. Semper Fi, baby!

I'd lose probably all of my employees if I administered a drug test. There's no easy answer or way I can tell them what to do outside of work. I can see them when they come in the employee door. I've sent a few packing when they came in a reeked of weed. There's machines in my plant that can kill you if you don't pay attention. The very least, they'll take a finger or limbs. I'm proof of that with my right index finger.

Heroin is very bad here in N.E. Ohio and I've had more than 1 employee leave for break and OD. I get the call from the city PD as I know most of them.

My employer started making each applicant pay for the drug testing up front and reimbursed them if they passed. We do sight development/ marine construction. We had 52 apply so far this year and only 2 passed their wizz quiz. With the size of the equipment we have, you need to be on your toes at all times.

Another thing to know is that drug testing is becoming much more sensitive. Alcohol usage can be detected several days out. There are typically two stages in drug testing. Many drug tests do NOT check for adulterants because that is more expensive. The better ones test for adulterants prior to more extensive testing. Urine tests should have direct observation to prevent cheating. Of course you can test fingernail clippings, hair and blood.

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Urine tests should have direct observation to prevent cheating.

Back when I was in Alaska managing oil & gas infrastructure projects, I attended a safety presentation put on by the company my employer hired to administer drug tests. I was shocked at the lengths people went to beat employer drug tests.

The one that stuck with me were people strapping an IV bag of clean urine to their thigh everyday in case they're drug tested. If the observer isn't watching close enough they can pull out the tube, open the valve, and put clean warm urine into the sample jar.

Insurance rates will surely rise for those who turn a blind eye. They will either have to eat the expense, or more likely pass on the expense to the consumer.

I worked at a paper mill for a while years ago. Each time there was a “random” drug screen, I (along with the same group of employees) got selected nearly every time. At random. We had a 100 percent pass rate. Finally, a few in the group threatened to sue Westvaco over the practice citing that 80 percent of the same dozen people were selected 23 times in a row out of a work force of 800, and suddenly it became random. And the number of failures went waaaayyyy up. As did the EAP claims.

Funny how that worked.

I would gladly hire the actively stoned if they could get the job done and not hurt themselves. The idea of employers watching employees urinate is beyond ridiculous...why not just implant a chip in the employees ass so you can really track their lifestyle and keep everyone safe all the time.

Yep typical. Your buddy is just sure the word cracker has to be racist and concocts some bs about cracking a whip. A simple etymological check, nope nope and nope. Unless you are racist towards white Scots. And yes Thomas Sowell provides the background of the origin in his book.

Of course wiki says the racist nonsense. Of course. Still not true.

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Urine tests should have direct observation to prevent cheating.

Back when I was in Alaska managing oil & gas infrastructure projects, I attended a safety presentation put on by the company my employer hired to administer drug tests. I was shocked at the lengths people went to beat employer drug tests.

The one that stuck with me were people strapping an IV bag of clean urine to their thigh everyday in case they're drug tested. If the observer isn't watching close enough they can pull out the tube, open the valve, and put clean warm urine into the sample jar.

You never heard of a Whizzinator? Prosthetics that come in a variety of colors to pretty convincingly pass a high security drug test. People who need people to pass the test provide them. Like high volume used car dealers that need salesmen that can sell 30 cars a month. Those kinds of salesmen have bad vices and NEED MONEY NOW and will do anything to make a sale. I know because my friend managed a big dealership in Vegas.

https://whizzinator.com

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I would gladly hire the actively stoned if they could get the job done and not hurt themselves.

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What about others? What you are asking is simply not possible. The business of drug testing is often contracted out. It is not a matter of control, just common sense.

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You never heard of a Whizzinator? Prosthetics that come in a variety of colors to pretty convincingly pass a high security drug test

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Any drug testing establishment is wise to that. Some of the drug users aren't bright enough to match the colors.