Amazing how many on here seem to think the Russian bear has gone away. They could field well over a million man army pretty quick, as cause world chaos pretty quick.

All of your isolation thoughts echo right back to the 1930.

As someone with several friends in the Baltic states and in Finland. They all know what and how Russia is. If you love good ole' Vladimir so much, then go fight with the Russians, they want you for meat grinding.

Some of you need to get past the entire oh it's Ukraine and they made Trump look bad years ago, booo hoo, he came out of it fine.



NATO is NOT an offensive group.

Ukraines invasion of the Kursk region speaks highly for Russias desire of a buffer and why Russia doesn't want NATO on their door step.

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Originally posted by ThankGod4Sig:
If you love good ole' Vladimir so much, then go fight with the Russians, they want you for meat grinding.

Seriously?

So, in the midst of an economic, social and demographic death spiral, Britain, France, Germany and the the rest of the EU plan to launch a war with Russia...

Trump doesn't want the US dragged into it.

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Originally posted by braillediver:
Ukraines invasion of the Kursk region speaks highly for Russias desire of a buffer and why Russia doesn't want NATO on their door step.

Russia has been speaking highly of a buffer between their border and any NATO member countries since February 1990!

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Originally posted by ThankGod4Sig:
As someone with several friends in the Baltic states and in Finland. They all know what and how Russia is. If you love good ole' Vladimir so much, then go fight with the Russians, they want you for meat grinding.

Why aren't you over in Ukraine fighting the Russians then, instead of jumping to conclusions about people who have a different opinion than you?

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Originally posted by ThankGod4Sig:
Amazing how many on here seem to think the Russian bear has gone away. They could field well over a million man army pretty quick, as cause world chaos pretty quick.

All of your isolation thoughts echo right back to the 1930.

As someone with several friends in the Baltic states and in Finland. They all know what and how Russia is. If you love good ole' Vladimir so much, then go fight with the Russians, they want you for meat grinding.

Some of you need to get past the entire oh it's Ukraine and they made Trump look bad years ago, booo hoo, he came out of it fine.



NATO is NOT an offensive group.

Not wanting to see my grandkids ruck up to fight Russia doesn't make me a "lover of good old Vlad"

Not wanting a war does not make me an isolationist. Your understanding of the term is weak.

In at least one definition of 'offensive' NATO is indeed one of those.

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Isolationsists! Cold War blue balls! Red menace!

‘Ol Vlad and his million man army must’ve just been trying to lull us all into a false sense of security over the last four years, I guess. Part of his master plan, perhaps? He’s been pretending to be unable to take a country a little smaller than Texas. How sneaky.

What utter nonsense.

Zelenskyy Arrives in Berlin for Meeting with Witkoff and Kushner Ahead of Summit with “Coalition of the Willing”

Today, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy arrived in Berlin to meet with President Trump emissaries Steve Witkoff and Jared Kushner ahead of the previously scheduled Monday summit with the Coalition of The Willing, U.K, France and Germany.

The wording used by Zelenskyy tells the dynamic: “We are currently preparing for meetings with the U.S. side and our European friends in the coming days. Berlin will host many events.”

The “U.S side” and “European friends”, a notable distinction in the terminology as Zelenskyy notes his friendship with his European stakeholders.

Today, Sunday, Zelenskyy notes, “I am already in Germany. Today’s agenda includes a meeting with the American negotiating team. We are focusing on how to reliably guarantee Ukraine’s security so that the experience of the Budapest Memorandum and Russia’s invasion are never repeated. We are counting on constructive talks.”

For President Zelenskyy and his EU coalition, everything revolves around the security guarantees. As noted by Politico:

“The summit in Berlin is important: we are meeting with both the Americans and the Europeans,” Zelenskyy told journalists in a WhatsApp group chat on Sunday, according to a transcript of his remarks. “It is important for us. And believe me, we have done a lot to ensure that these parties all meet together.”

Zelenskyy emphasized the need for Ukraine to receive firm guarantees from the United States and European allies that would be similar to those offered to NATO members, according to the transcript of the group chat.

“These security guarantees are an opportunity to prevent another wave of Russian aggression,” the Ukrainian leader said. “And this is already a compromise on our part.”

Zelenskyy emphasized that the security guarantees would need to be legally binding and supported by the U.S. Congress. He said he expected an update from his team following a meeting between Ukrainian and U.S. military officials in Stuttgart. (link)

“We are talking about bilateral security guarantees between Ukraine and the United States — namely, Article 5-like guarantees … as well as security guarantees for us from our European partners and from other countries such as Canada, Japan and others,” Zelenskyy told journalists in a group chat, according to a report by the Financial Times.

This is exactly what we predicted would happen.

♦ On the ‘Security Guarantee‘ issue, this is where a quagmire is presented by European leaders.

From a pragmatic standpoint, a European demilitarized zone, stood up and supported by EU military forces, would appear to be the best solution. However, the “coalition of the willing” say they are willing to put security troops into Ukraine, but only if the USA will defend them if attacked by Russia. In essence, quasi-NATO forces on a non-NATO country, that if attacked would draw the entirety of NATO into the conflict, including the United States.

The U.K, France, Germany and EU Commission want a security structure similar to NATO for Ukraine that legally binds the United States to defend their interests if the ceasefire does not hold. President Trump has rejected this construct as yet another way for Europe to pull the U.S into a conflict zone that is not in our vital national security interests.

The ceasefire proposal structured by Trump, Witkoff and Kushner – seemingly supported by Russia, does not permit Ukraine to join NATO; however, EU membership is entirely up to the EU and people of Ukraine to decide. If Ukraine joins the EU, then EU forces alone should provide the security guarantee, not NATO which includes the U.S. and Canada.

It will be interesting to see how the Europeans organize their “security guarantee” proposal. I strongly doubt Steve Witkoff and Jared Kushner are willing to enter into any “article-5 like” agreement to put American troops into the mix, despite the demands of Zelenskyy.

ENOUGH ALREADY! If Zelenskyy’s European “friends” are willing to put their military troops into the mix, then the EU friends should be responsible for the security therein. President Trump needs to exit this hot mess, regardless of what congress wants to see happen.

https://theconservativetreehou...willing/#more-278778

Been a long time since my high school history class but I always thought we entered WW1 & 2 to make sure we wouldn't have the enemy invading us on our turf.
If Europe was to fall then WW 3 will pretty much be the world vs the US, right here.

Even in the U.S., with lots of information available, people continue to insist NATO wants to do this or that to threaten Russia.

NATO is not like the EU; it is not a sovereign or semi-sovereign entity; it does exactly and only what its 32 members want it to do. It does not have a life of its own; it is not a super-national state. And the U.S. is the most influential country in NATO, and the U.S. holds the chief military leadership position in NATO, SACEUR, so we get the most important vote in NATO.

Putin doesn't fear NATO. NATO doesn't plan to invade Russia, and the armed forces of the NATO countries are not capable of invading Russia. The nation states in NATO would not vote to do that. Do you honestly think Spain, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, Denmark, etc., are itching to invade Russia? What would they do with that sodden economic mess that comprises Russia?

The European countries don't want a war with Russia. They are scared to death of Russia - which openly states it wants to nuke Paris and London, take back the Baltics, crush Poland again, etc. (This week the Russians demanded that Finland and Sweden be stripped out of NATO). The average European citizen has never seen a war but sees what Russia has done in Ukraine - attacking apartment buildings, killing civilians on the street, executing captured soldiers, etc. - and is frightened by it. Look at the cities of Bakhmut, Mariopol, Kupiansk, Pokrovsk, etc., to see how Putin has "liberated" them.

Putin fears not the NATO armies but indigenous political movements in the "near abroad" around Russia that are pro-Western, pro-European, or independent-minded and don't want to be under the once and future Russian Empire (e.g., countries in the former USSR or under Russian domination in the Warsaw Pact).

The European countries are not capable of providing a security guarantee to Ukraine if there is a peace agreement. They simply don't have the forces to form a credible deterrent to a renewed Russian incursion. In the security role, they could not call on NATO by using article 5 to say they have been attacked.

Only the U.S. can provide a credible security guarantee for Ukraine, and that would involve a lot of forces. The last time we guaranteed a border in Europe, 1945-1990, we did it with 300,000 troops, mostly in Germany, including two heavy Corps (V and VII), nuclear-tipped GLCMs, and USAFE with a whole bunch of tactical nuclear weapons.

President Trump got into the business of trying to force a peace agreement "in one day" between Ukraine and Russia with good intentions but without knowing the history or the physics of it. It appears he thinks the problem is some sort of border dispute, and that Ukraine started the war by invading Russia. What has happened now is that we have been drawn into a situation where we have to fish or cut bait. No peace accord can succeed without a security guarantee, and only we can provide that security guarantee, so in a very real sense we are signed up for that if we want a peace accord that maintains the other 80% of Ukraine not under Russian rule.

The Europeans doubt that we have the will or the stomach for providing the security guarantee, but we are the ones who built this "peace agreement" paradigm rather than adequately helping Ukraine defend itself (which was cheap at the price to do, and we've sold enough F-35s, GMLRS, ATACMS, and other hardware since the war started to make up the cost). Putin is not interested in economic incentives that we have placed in front of him, and they are no substitute to compel his good behavior. Putin simply wants the return of the Russian empire, including Ukraine. We can't blame the EU, or NATO, or Mr. Rutte, for any of this. Putin, with malice aforethought, invaded Ukraine.

So here we are. Saying the "Europeans want war with Russia" is illogical and untrue, and is really just a doomed attempt to blame someone else for the mess - someone other than Russia. If Ukraine stops fighting, it is conquered. If Russia stops fighting, the war is over.

WW1 - US banks gave loans to the Allied powers, so we had a financial interest in seeing them win. Add to that Germany's unrestricted sub warfare on all shipping, then the sinking of the Lusitania (with a large number of U.S. citizens aboard) AND the Zimmerman telegram where Germany was telling Mexico "hey, help a bro out and we'll get some of your land back".

WW2 - US kinda wanted to sit it out BUT (and this is just my opinion) Roosevelt wanted us in so he slapped Japan with an oil embargo for what they were doing in China (which IIRC, we had business dealings with) kinda prodding them into slapping back. We just didn't expect that slap to be 1) in the face, and 2) a lot harder than expected.

My Dad who was Army Captain until I think 1947, and my coach and shooting mentor who was a retired (WW2-1963) Army LTC, both said strongly and independent of each other, to never ever trust the Russians.

Interesting. I remember my FIL saying the exact same thing about the Ukrainians years ago.

I have never had a positive interaction with a Russian. Every single one has been attempting a scam and blatantly lying about everything.

Why Is Europe Feverishly Preparing For World War III?

If there is going to be peace, why are we witnessing the largest military buildup in Europe since the end of the Cold War? When it comes to the major players on the geopolitical stage, it is far more important to watch what they do than it is to listen to what they say. And right now the actions that the major European powers are taking are telling us that they are preparing for a huge war with Russia.

https://endoftheamericandream....iii/#google_vignette

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: our football game mentality where we have this urge to pick a guy to root for in every conflict is going to cost us. I look at this conflict and see two nations rife with corruption at every level, led by bad men doing bad things and see no compelling reason for us to involve ourselves. I’m tired of seeing this being called “isolationism” and to it, I say: “we are not the world police and the post-WWII paradigm where we acted that way will not be to our benefit in the long run and should be discontinued.”

I’ve always been a believer in the Monroe Doctrine and like that Trump is acting more or less in that spirit. We are the big fish in the pond that is the western hemisphere. We need to just own that instead of getting involved in dust ups in the Middle East and Europe every decade or so. The assertion that we need to keep saving Europe from their diplomatic and security failures because “Russians are bad guys” is absurd and nonsensical. Europe may have been our friend at some time, but they aren’t anymore. Just look at what they believe in and what they’re doing politically across the board. We gambled and won on two world wars, we can absolutely gamble and lose on a third, and if you don’t think it’s possible, that’s the kind of hubris that will cost us dearly before it’s settled.

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I look at this conflict and see two nations rife with corruption at every level, led by bad men doing bad things and see no compelling reason for us to involve ourselves. I’m tired of seeing this being called “isolationism” and to it, I say: “we are not the world police and the post-WWII paradigm where we acted that way will not be to our benefit in the long run and should be discontinued.”

I’ve always been a believer in the Monroe Doctrine and like that Trump is acting more or less in that spirit.

+1

Watch China- They're the only one who benefits from escalating the Ukraine Conflict.

Why Should Americans Die for European Tyranny?
By J.B. Shurk

After the European Commission levied a several-hundred-million-dollar fine on Elon Musk and his social media platform X earlier this month, journalist Michael Shellenberger wrote a damning post in which he excoriated Europe’s rank censorship and state-sponsored propaganda. He accused the commission of engaging “in a deception campaign aimed at confusing” Europeans and Americans into thinking that European elites’ “goal” is anything other than “to censor the American people.”

Shellenberger pointed out that Musk’s fine came while European governments are demanding backdoor access to all private text messages (under the pretense of combatting the transmission of child pornography) and creating a so-called “Democracy Shield” of government-funded “fact-checkers” that enables “censorship by proxy.” He also noted that the European Commission announced the fine to coincide with the rollout of the Trump administration’s new National Security Strategy, in which President Trump makes this promise: “We will oppose elite-driven, anti-democratic restrictions on core liberties in Europe, the Anglosphere, and the rest of the democratic world, especially among our allies.”

Shellenberger put two and two together to make a provocative observation: “The EU is now in direct violation of the NATO Treaty,” which “requires member states to have free speech and free and fair elections. France and Germany are actively and illegally preventing political candidates from running for office for ideological reasons, namely their opposition to mass migration. And the Romanian high court, with the support of the European Commission, nullified election results under the thin and unproven pretext of Russian interference, after a nationalist and populist presidential candidate won.”

As a parting shot, Shellenberger accused the European political class of betraying its own constitution, a document that purports to protect free speech: “Everyone has the right to freedom of expression. This right shall include freedom to hold opinions and to receive and impart information and ideas without interference by public authority.” How can the European Commission pretend to defend its own charter when it seeks to eradicate the free exchange of ideas on X, censor Americans’ speech, spy on citizens’ private text messages, and create an army of government-funded NGOs to justify censorship and push the commission’s propaganda?

Shellenberger’s pointed observations reinforce Vice President Vance’s recent criticisms of European censorship: “Germany’s entire defense is subsidized by the American taxpayer. There are thousands upon thousands of American troops in Germany today. Do you think that the American taxpayer is going to stand for that if you get thrown in jail in Germany for posting a mean tweet?” Vance has explicitly warned European elites that America and Europe “do not have shared values if you’re jailing people for saying we should close down our border” or canceling “elections because you don’t like the result — and that happened in Romania. You do not have shared values if you’re so afraid of your own people that you silence them and shut them up.”

When the leading candidate for the American presidency in 2028 and one of America’s pre-eminent journalists are both warning the European political class that its ongoing censorship activities are threatening the foundations of the Western alliance, the capitals of Europe should pay attention.

Unfortunately, it appears the paper tigers of Europe believe that their gentle purrs sound like ferocious roars and that their distorted shadows still convey strength. As President Trump’s emissaries work to deliver peace between Russia and Ukraine, there are rumors on the continent that the European Commission is threatening behind somewhat closed doors to sell $2.34 trillion in U.S. Treasury holdings should the American government impose an “unsatisfactory” peace settlement or outright withdraw military and financial support from Ukraine. Such economic warfare against the United States could trigger a financial crash more severe than what occurred in 2008.

The fact that European powers would consider destabilizing the global economy in order to prolong war on the European continent says a great deal about the Old World’s twisted priorities. While tens of millions of illegal immigrants erase Western civilization and insane “green energy” policies doom the economies of Europe, the aristocratic elites insist on censorship, government-approved propaganda, and perpetual war. Brussels, London, Paris, and Berlin are so committed to total war with Russia that they will sacrifice every last Ukrainian and outlaw peace. Better to remain master over a dominion of poverty, division, and bloodshed than to permit non-globalist political parties to win elections and defend their respective nations’ sovereignties.

Given how ill prepared Europe is to fight its own battles without the assistance of America’s military machine, it is maddening to watch the deranged posturing of Europe’s bellicose ruling class as it salivates for more war. While mourning the recent death of a British soldier in Ukraine, U.K. prime minister Keir Starmer tacitly admitted that a military contingent of unknown size is already operating in the country. This led one of Russia’s most prominent political commentators to conclude that “a nuclear strike on Britain is inevitable.” Should the British people perhaps have a say in whether their political leadership will risk nuclear war over Russian-speaking territories in eastern Ukraine?

Meanwhile, the French government is not so quietly preparing hospitals for the arrival of tens of thousands of wounded soldiers in the next few months. Given that French president Emmanuel Macron is reportedly planning to announce a rapid expansion of the country’s military service, a significant military engagement on the continent appears increasingly likely. Similarly, Denmark, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Croatia, Poland, and Germany are all working to increase the sizes of their military forces. Military spending in Germany is set to “mark the largest single-year investment in defense equipment in the country’s history.” And NATO chief Mark Rutte recently told foreign policy pooh-bahs in Berlin that Europeans “must be prepared for the scale of war our grandparents and great-grandparents endured.” As far as Europe’s political elites are concerned, all signs point to World War III!

Is this really what Americans want? Must we really permit Europe’s totalitarian political elites to recklessly provoke a U.S.-NATO-Russia War? It is revealing that Europe’s speech police work so assiduously to censor social media posts that dare to question the ruling class’s apparent desire to transform a regional conflict between Russia and Ukraine into a battle royale involving the whole of the continent. How duplicitous with regard to their motivations and desperate in their political calculations could Starmer, Macron, Merz, and Queen Ursula von der Leyen be if they feel compelled to silence every European commoner who prefers to keep his children safely away from exploding drones on the battlefield?

I go back to the questions that Michael Shellenberger and Vice President Vance have asked concerning Europe’s diminishing commitment to Western values. What is the point of defending a royal court of unelected European aristocrats who cynically prattle on about the need to “defend democracy” while spying on fellow citizens’ private communications and silencing their online debates? Why should Americans fight and die for European elites who conspire to prevent non-globalist politicians from holding office and summarily cancel elections whenever preferred globalists flat-out lose? Why should America’s military defend a European ruling class that regularly censors American citizens?

If Brussels, London, Paris, and Berlin want war, let those socialists pick up a rifle and fight. As for Americans, our cause should be to defend liberty. And right now, unfortunately, liberty is of little concern to Europe’s political elites.

https://www.americanthinker.co...uropean_tyranny.html