I concur with the recommendation of my esteemed colleague, Dr. Para; however, this needs to be done STAT.

And be quite liberal with the drop calculation...

But, no quick drop, just ease the chair out from underneath them... give them a few minutes think about the error of their ways.

That is fucked up. Badly.
All my grandparents are gone and I wish they were still here. I wouldn't even have a passing thought on doing what they did.
Question for Dr. Para. In your opinion, is this mental illness or just plain no value on human life?

quote:

Originally posted by joatmonv:
That is fucked up. Badly.
All my grandparents are gone and I wish they were still here. I wouldn't even have a passing thought on doing what they did.
Question for Dr. Para. In your opinion, is this mental illness or just plain no value on human life?

One and the same, I think.

quote:

Originally posted by rsbolo:

quote:

Originally posted by joatmonv:
That is fucked up. Badly.
All my grandparents are gone and I wish they were still here. I wouldn't even have a passing thought on doing what they did.
Question for Dr. Para. In your opinion, is this mental illness or just plain no value on human life?

One and the same, I think.

I tend to disagree. Yes, there are mentally ill people out there and they may be capable of doing some very bad things.
On another site, a question was asked about evil. Basically, did you believe in it. I'm not trying to hijack Paras thread but it does relate.
What value of human life leads you to kill your grandparents and throw a party? What type of mental illness would you call this?
Me personally, these kids had no value of life. They just didn't care. It was a means to an end.
"Let's kill my grandparents and maybe your Mom and a sibling ". For what? There was nothing to gain. I'm absolutely not condoning what they did at all just trying to wrap my head around this.
Killed them so they could smoke weed? So no one would catch them doing it? Killed them just because?
What happened along the course of their life that made them even think about this? Mommy and Daddy didn't give them enough hugs? Beat them with a wooden spoon?
Just evil? They'll probably never say why they did it.
As for a short rope, absolutely. Bring back public hangings.
"That's extremely cruel punishment "." They have rights to decent treatment ".
So did the grandparents. Make the punishment fit the crime.

What the hell?? I have no response other than the short answer I gave in another thread:
pure evil.

quote:

Originally posted by dry-fly:
What the hell?? I have no response other than the short answer I gave in another thread:
pure evil.

Yep. Pretty sure the other thread was about that oxygen thief from Cleveland.

OK, are we really going to start this irrational "pure evil" stuff?

All things humans are capable of, dwell in all of us. Don't make excuses for these people, and that's exactly what you're doing when you start this "pure evil" nonsense. What, this boy and girl just happened to hook up because they're both "pure evil"? Think about what you're saying, and keep that stuff out of my thread, because it's nonsense.

You guys are looking for an explanation? OK, this is a corrupted reconstruction of the androgyne. See Plato's Symposium for the tale of the reconstruction of the androgyne.

The answer is that neither of these two "kids" would have done these deeds alone, but, together- the reconstructed androgyne- they felt very powerful. And yes, I'm being completely serious.

This has nothing to do with the concept of Evil.

Now the sexes were three, and such as I have described them; because the sun, moon, and earth are three; and the man was originally the child of the sun, the woman of the earth, and the man-woman of the moon, which is made up of sun and earth, and they were all round and moved round and round because they resembled their parents. Terrible was their might and strength, and the thoughts of their hearts were great, and they made an attack upon the gods; of them is told the tale of Otys and Ephialtes who, as Homer says, attempted to scale heaven, and would have laid hands upon the gods.

Doubt reigned in the celestial councils. Should they kill them and annihilate the race with thunderbolts, as they had done the giants, then there would be an end of the sacrifices and worship which men offered to them; but, on the other hand, the gods could not suffer their insolence to be unrestrained. At last, after a good deal of reflection, Zeus discovered a way.

He said: 'Methinks I have a plan which will enfeeble their strength and so extinguish their turbulence; men shall continue to exist, but I will cut them in two and then they will be diminished in strength and increased in numbers; this will have the advantage of making them more profitable to us. They shall walk upright on two legs, and if they continue insolent and will not be quiet, I will split them again and they shall hop about on a single leg.'

He spoke and cut men in two, like a sorb-apple which is halved for pickling, or as you might divide an egg with a hair; and as he cut them one after another, he bade Apollo give the face and the half of the neck a turn in order that man might contemplate the section of himself: he would thus learn a lesson of humility. Apollo was also bidden to heal their wounds and compose their forms. So he gave a turn to the face and pulled the skin from the sides all over that which in our language is called the belly, like the purses which draw tight, and he made one mouth at the centre, which he fastened in a knot (the same which is called the navel); he also moulded the breast and took out most of the wrinkles, much as a shoemaker might smooth leather upon a last; he left a few, however, in the region of the belly and navel, as a memorial of the primeval state.

After the division the two parts of man, each desiring his other half, came together, and throwing their arms about one another, entwined in mutual embraces, longing to grow into one, they began to die from hunger and self-neglect, because they did not like to do anything apart; and when one of the halves died and the other survived, the survivor sought another mate, man or woman as we call them,--being the sections of entire men or women,--and clung to that.

Thus they were being destroyed, when Zeus in pity invented a new plan: he turned the parts of generation round to the front, for this had not been always their position, and they sowed the seed no longer as hitherto like grasshoppers in the ground, but in one another; and after the transposition the male generated in the female in order that by the mutual embraces of man and woman they might breed, and the race might continue; or if man came to man they might be satisfied, and rest, and go their ways to the business of life. So ancient is the desire of one another which is implanted in us, reuniting our original nature, seeking to make one of two, and to heal the state of man.

Each of us when separated, having one side only, like a flat fish, is but the tally-half of a man, and he is always looking for his other half. Men who are a section of that double nature which was once called androgynous are lovers of women; adulterers are generally of this breed, and also adulterous women who lust after men. The women who are a section of the woman do not care for men, but have female attachments; the female companions are of this sort. But they who are a section of the male follow the male, and while they are young, being slices of the original man, they have affection for men and embrace them, and these are the best of boys and youths, because they have the most manly nature.

Some indeed assert that they are shameless, but this is not true; for they do not act thus from any want of shame, but because they are valiant and manly, and have a manly countenance, and they embrace that which is like them. And these when they grow up become our statesmen, and these only, which is a great proof of the truth of what I am saying. When they reach manhood they are lovers of youth, and are not naturally inclined to marry or beget children,--if at all, they do so only in obedience to custom; but they are satisfied if they may be allowed to live with one another unwedded;

And such a nature is prone to love and ready to return love, always embracing that which is akin to him. And when one of them meets with his other half, the actual half of himself, whether he be a lover of youth or a lover of another sort, the pair are lost in an amazement of love and friendship and intimacy, and one will not be out of the other's sight, as I may say, even for a moment: these are the people who pass their whole lives together, and yet they could not explain what they desire of one another. For the intense yearning which each of them has towards the other does not appear to be the desire of lover's intercourse, but of something else which the soul of either evidently desires and cannot tell, and of which she has only a dark and doubtful presentiment.

I hope their prison stay before they are hung (hanged) is pure hell

Okay..sorry.

I read somewhere that when two psychopaths manage to find each other, the danger to those around them escalates exponentially.
Case in point.

What are the odds of that? Isn't it more likely that these are simply two sociopaths who felt powerful because of their relationship? See above.

It's so banal. I know that a "Dexter meets his Bride" scenario or a "They're both Hitler" scenario is more interesting and entertaining, but the plain old boring truth always gets in the way.

Damn, just damn.
His arm in a sling and hers bandaged. Looks like the Grandparents were at least able to put up a fight. They probably wanted money for the party / dope.

They both need to assume room temp ASAP.

They're bandaged up because they made suicidal gestures (and that is all they were- just gestures) after the fact. It's apparent from the murders they committed that if they had really wanted to die, they could have done so.

Just more bullshit from this trash

quote:

Originally posted by parabellum:
< snip >

You guys are looking for an explanation? OK, this is a corrupted reconstruction of the androgyne. See Plato's Symposium for the tale of the reconstruction of the androgyne.

< snip >

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
This is perfect.

There is a group of "people" who (whatever the reason for their behavior) desperately need to be removed from society. Permanently. This should be done as quickly and efficiently as possible. These two individuals clearly are members of the group.

Think back to when you were young. When you met someone and "fell in love", didn't you feel powerful and confident beyond reason? That's the reconstruction of the androgyne. This myth recounted in Symposium- Plato didn't just pull this out of his ass. There's great truth in that fable he tells and humans knew it even 25 centuries ago.

Sociopath: A person with a psychopathic personality whose behavior is antisocial, often criminal, and who lacks a sense of moral responsibility or social conscience.

Aka mudering scumbags.