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Originally posted by Aglifter:
Are there any prominent Democrat vets?

Can't think of any. I watch Fox News and the Dems who get all the airtime (Schumer, Durbin, etc) are not vets.

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Originally posted by bozman:
I know I am old AF, but if it was truly needed to defend our country from foreign or domestic threats, I would be there in a heartbeat.

I'm pretty sure no foreign power could damage this country as much as our own regime and Deep State have done and are still doing. The bad guys around the world know this and just have to bide their time. The real threat to us is here at home, not in far away places. But I don't think anyone is going to take up arms to fix that.

How many remember when the Russian leader Nikita Kruchevf(?) was at the United Nations Assembly giving a speech when he went into a tirade / took off his shoe and began pounding the podium and shouting "We will bury you from within without firing a shot"???? Looks like those days are possibly near. .................................... drill sgt.

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Originally posted by Ironbutt:

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Originally posted by parabellum:
Yeah, I'm all for the draft. We could cure more than a few of society's problems with a draft.

Not to mention, it would be a total hoot to witness the pure panic among the snowflakes and America haters.

I'm from the Vietnam era. I was a Marine, so there weren't any draftees The Army had a bunch of draftees & I would've had no problem serving along side those guys in combat.

I'm not sure I'd trust a draftee from this entitled generation to have my back in combat. In fact, I wouldn't trust most of them pushing a wheel barrow.

There were more than 40,000 Marines drafted for Viet Nam. Two of them were in my platoon in '68. Both were good Marines and were still upright when I left in '69. You would have had no problem serving with them either. Semper Fi

Back in the last draft, being a "normal" gay person would rate you as 4F or possibly a general or dishonorable discharge if you were actually in the service and discovered.
I can't imagine the freak show that would result in today's world.

“I also think there are prices too high to pay to save the United States. Conscription is one of them. Conscription is slavery, and I don't think that any people or nation has a right to save itself at the price of slavery for anyone, no matter what name it is called. We have had the draft for twenty years now; I think this is shameful. If a country can't save itself through the volunteer service of its own free people, then I say: Let the damned thing go down the drain!”

- Robert A. Heinlein

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Originally posted by wishfull thinker:

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Originally posted by Ironbutt:

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Originally posted by parabellum:
Yeah, I'm all for the draft. We could cure more than a few of society's problems with a draft.

Not to mention, it would be a total hoot to witness the pure panic among the snowflakes and America haters.

I'm from the Vietnam era. I was a Marine, so there weren't any draftees The Army had a bunch of draftees & I would've had no problem serving along side those guys in combat.

I'm not sure I'd trust a draftee from this entitled generation to have my back in combat. In fact, I wouldn't trust most of them pushing a wheel barrow.

There were more than 40,000 Marines drafted for Viet Nam. Two of them were in my platoon in '68. Both were good Marines and were still upright when I left in '69. You would have had no problem serving with them either. Semper Fi

OK, I looked it up. The Marines made a draft call in Dec of 1968 & 42K were draftees. I came back the beginning of 1968, and honestly, I thought all Marines were volunteers.

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Originally posted by Sigmund:

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Originally posted by Aglifter:
Are there any prominent Democrat vets?

Can't think of any. I watch Fox News and the Dems who get all the airtime (Schumer, Durbin, etc) are not vets.

I can’t think of any currently but there was this guy.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Inouye

Dick the dick Blumenthal sort of claimed to be a vet.

what we need is a world war, an invasion on CONUS and a good clean out of those who dont like it here. then ,and only then, when the enemy is at the gates will the warrior (and his country) be appreciated. I wish it would come on and start already.

Although we claim to hate polls (at least the results we don’t like), there was one that indicated over half of the Democrats surveyed wouldn’t necessarily fight to defend the country. That interpretation was of course disputed by others on the Left for a variety of claimed reasons, but even if the figure was inflated to a significant degree, what does it say about widely-held attitudes?

I agree that some potential armed forces recruits are dismayed and deterred from enlisting because of what the services are doing internally, but I question how many absolute numbers they represent. Only someone who is actively considering the move is likely to be aware of what it means to the organizations in general and would mean to them specifically. Someone who doesn’t even imagine enlisting in one of the forces is unlikely, IMO, to consider that to be an important factor any more than he would decide to avoid it because he once ate an MRE and didn’t like it. Plus we shouldn’t ever forget that even in the crisis of World War II and the danger to the US that German and Japanese aggression posed, if even indirectly at the beginning, large numbers of American men had to be conscripted into the military forces, and even then desertions and other attempts to avoid the war’s hazards were extremely common.

Although I’m not sure about some of what the opinion piece claims, I do agree in general about the general “rot” of American society and culture.

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Originally posted by Sigmund:

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Originally posted by Aglifter:
Are there any prominent Democrat vets?

Can't think of any. I watch Fox News and the Dems who get all the airtime (Schumer, Durbin, etc) are not vets.

There's the "climate czar" John Kerry. He turned into an anti war POS after returning from VN.

Then there was JFK.

A lot of fellows want to join, they just can't decide which dress to wear to the recruiting station.

In addition to all the aforementioned reasons, recruiters across all branches of service are having a tough time getting medically qualified applicants. Any history of taking a painkiller, ADHD medication, etc. throws a red flag in the recruitment, sometimes to the point where the applicant no longer wants to join because of all the hurdles they have to jump through.

A few tidbits:

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This year, the Pentagon officially launched Military Health System (MHS) Genesis, a new electronic health record system for the military that is the result of years of pilot programs, testing, and congressional mandates. Col. Megan Stallings, commander of U.S. Military Entrance Processing Command (USMEPCOM), called it a “leap in medical modernization” that is “revolutionizing our medical processing.” It was introduced not only at Military Entrance Processing Stations (MEPS), but across the military health system to streamline care for service members, dependents, and veterans.

The idea was that with MHS Genesis, MEPS would be able to see all of a new recruit’s health records in one place — every broken bone and prescribed medication — to help quicken the process. It was meant to make things easier. But as is sometimes the case with processes and systems in the military meant to help, it didn’t.

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It was a pilot of sorts for Genesis, and would flag everything from allergy medications to birth control, epi pens, and inhalers. The latter three of those prescriptions would trigger a flag for officials at MEPS who would then ask for medical records for those medications.

“It was causing a ton of issues when it first came out,” the senior recruiter said, “because the pharmacy history only shows a small piece of the overall picture.”

Recruits would be flagged if MEPS saw something like oxycodone in their files, even if it was for something simple like getting wisdom teeth removed. So recruiters were then “spending so much time at hospitals” trying to get paperwork for their recruit, only to finally send it up to the doctor at MEPS and be told it wasn’t sufficient.

Source.

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Originally posted by Aglifter:
Are there any prominent Democrat vets?

Tammy Duckworth. Former Helicopter pilot Lost her legs when her helicopter was brought down by enemy fire in 2004. Honorable veteran.

Incumbent IL Senator. Politically an anti gun polemic piece of dogshit.

Can any democrat be prominent?

There are 18 serving vets in congress out of 82 last time I saw the list.

Oh yeah, this will fix the problem...

Navy Recruiting Increasing Work Week to Six Days to Combat Recruitment Shortages

By: Heather Mongilio
June 28, 2023 6:17 PM

Starting July 8, Navy recruiters’ work week will get a day longer.

Navy Recruiting Command is temporarily extending recruiters’ work week to six days to address recruiting shortages, Lt. Cmdr. Richard Parker, the spokesperson for Recruiting Command told USNI News in an email.

Parker did not have current recruiting numbers, citing a number of ongoing recruiting efforts preventing finalization of the numbers. However, in April, Vice Chief of Naval Operations Lisa Franchetti said the Navy was expected to miss its recruiting goal by 6,000 sailors...

Complete article:

https://news.usni.org/2023/06/...ecruitment-shortages

They waged war against their best recruiting pool, so what did they expect? It’s not like white conservatives are suddenly going to take the shot, stop voting conservative, hate guns, hate trump, hate white people, chop off their dicks, and start buttfucking each other.

Cultural rot is hyperbole. Many variables here and cultural rot{whatever that is} is not a factor. Economics, a decent labor market and general changes in the military are all factors.

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Originally posted by ZSMICHAEL:
Cultural rot is hyperbole. Many variables here and cultural rot{whatever that is} is not a factor. Economics, a decent labor market and general changes in the military are all factors.

Call it what you want, but for the many young people I know, it's definitely NOT economics or a good job market elsewhere. They are mostly Naval Academy and Westpoint grads, some ROTC grads. They WANT to serve but can't take it anymore. The new WOKE military = "general changes in the military"? OK, sure.
"Cultural rot" is as good a term as any.