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Originally posted by bigdeal:....And Craperdick? Yes, I think he's garbage, but he's not really the focus of my real issues.

I refuse to have anything to do with the NFL because of the team owners and their corrupt, criminal, commissioner. They've proven they don't give a damn what is right and wrong, and that they're cowardice is only surpassed by their hypocrisy. This whole 'movement' could have (and should have) been nipped in the bud on day one when it popped up (ya see any more kneeling MLB players after that first nitwit in Oakland tried it?). The owners and the league are unworthy of my respect, time, or $$$, and I hope they continue to fade away into complete obscurity.

Bulls-eye.

And I might add the NFL owners overt double standard. Players get fined if they have any on field apparel or conduct that promotes what most would consider honorable causes (police, remember 9/11 etc), but kneeling for the Anthem is "free speech".

My CUT is "No Double Standards". I may disagree with the NFL, but wouldn't gripe if they consistently held a standard one way or the other.

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Originally posted by darthfuster:

I'm not too proud to say that this post brought tears to my eyes....

The same for me, every single time I see that image.

As before, the NFL can french my chocolate starfish.

The sad thing is that so many are addicted to watching sports that they will rationalize all of this away.

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Originally posted by Scoutmaster:

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:...There are other things more precious to me...

Sidenote. While planting Memorial Day flags at the Golden Gate National Cemetery with our Cub Scouts, I have seen first hand what the picture represents.

Every time I see this picture, I cry. When I went to Vietnam in 1970-71, my very young wife (23) lived with her parents for the year I was there.
She was teaching school while I was in-country. She didn't know anything at all about how the military notified families about deaths or injuries to military personnel. Her father was a businessman and routinely dressed formally (suit and tie). He had been on a short business trip, returned home, and said to his wife "Let's go pickup our daughter at school and take her to dinner tonight." His wife dressed up for the occasion.
My wife looked out the window of her classroom and saw both of them get out of their car in the school parking lot, dressed up, and started to cry because she thought they were coming to tell her I'd been killed. I never heard this story until well after I returned from Vietnam but every time I think of it, I cry because of what that put her through. This picture reminds me of that and the grief and agony this poor young woman is feeling as she lays by that grave.

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Originally posted by Voshterkoff:
The sad thing is that so many are addicted to watching sports that they will rationalize all of this away.

Sometimes throwing the baby out with the bathwater is not the answer.

However, I do think Professional Sports can be influenced by the dollars fans spend.

The business of sports has ruined a portion while introducing politics just kills it off completely.

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Originally posted by Voshterkoff:
The sad thing is that so many are addicted to watching sports that they will rationalize all of this away.

Don't mean to come across as a "forum cop," but the boss has asked us to give that "addicted to watching sports" meme a rest, too.

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Originally posted by smschulz:
Sometimes throwing the baby out with the bathwater is not the answer.

Yet sometimes you just have to burn it down and start over.

It's the old "absolute power corrupts" thing, in a way. Pro sports has come to dictate so much that even unwilling taxpayers pay the price and, as we've seen, here, believes there is no transgression so egregious that it cannot survive it.

If they're proven right: What next?

At one time I was quite a Detroit Red Wings fan. Got a tee-shirt somewhere around here. A pennant hanging in the bar. Other memorabilia. I became disenchanted with them at one point and, unlike Detroit Lions fans, which seem capable of suffering nearly endless disappointment, stopped following the Wings out of a sense of self-preservation.

I still like ice hockey. Were it not for the fact I've become so disillusioned with pro sports in general, I might be inclined to become a fan again, some day.

I still more-or-less kinda half-followed how the Wings' seasons were going. Now I've completely lost interest. (Truth be told: "Little Caesars Arena" was probably the nail in the coffin.)

The ad you will NOT see:

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How the NFL can have a problem with that ad is beyond me.

This just solidifies it for me...the NFL can’t die away fast enough for me. Good luck getting any money or viewership from this household any time soon.

I'm old enough to have lived in a time when you NEVER thought of NOT standing, arrow straight, silent, with your hand over your heart.

Lord knows I miss those days.

Don't intend to give them any money, but I'm not really offended that a big business is more interested in its bottom line than making a statement. I don't especially like it, but I'd rather see players kneel than see a government pass a law mandating standing or saying the pledge or singing the anthem.

Patriotism can't be forced or defined the same way for all people. To some people, police shootings of the unarmed are an unfortunate accident by civil servants dealing with high stress and adrenaline. To others, it's a sign of police culture assigning more importance to officers making it home at night than protecting and serving -- a systematic problem, not an indictment of police officers as a whole. And yeah, to some, cops are just murderous pigs after a lifetime of negative encounters and negative reinforcement of that idea by friends and family. Some of those people are just dicks or stuck in their ways and aren't worth the effort of getting upset about.

Just different ways of looking at things. My father thinks the same way most of you guys do. I can understand why. He and all three of his brothers served and so did his father -- I'm sure he's been to funerals with a flag-draped coffin holding one of his friends, his father, or two of his brothers. I imagine that leaves a pretty deep impact.

We disagree in that I think it's the idea of this country that's sacred, not its flag or its traditions. We've decided to agree to disagree. No big deal.

Now, if you really want to piss me off, bring up civil asset forfeiture. I'm not really interested in whether a business tries not to pick a side in a no-win situation.

That's just it though, the NFL has made a statement, several times actually. They've picked a side and I hope it ends in their demise, especially after this.

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Originally posted by Fdan:...Every time I see this picture, I cry. When I went to Vietnam in 1970-71, my very young wife (23) lived with her parents for the year I was there.

She was teaching school while I was in-country. She didn't know anything at all about how the military notified families about deaths or injuries to military personnel....

Another sidenote. My son's neighbor shared a story last Memorial Day. She was eight years old, playing in the living room of their house, saw two dress uniform officers walking up their sidewalk, in excitement ran to tell her mother (her dad was a pilot in Vietnam). She didn't understand (yet) why her mom burst into tears.

Thank you for your service, glad you made it back. I was trained as a combat medic in the Army Reserves, never activated for Vietnam, all my duty was stateside in hospitals or admin offices. But all of my training cadre were Vietnam combat vetrans. Again, thank you for your service.

awesome video by Diane Black

Rep. Diane Black (R-TN), who's running for governor in Tennessee, has recorded her own ad which will air in the state during the Super Bowl pregame show.

https://youtu.be/AP1Z5cNjCNs

from:

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/...-super-bowl-n2443127

Or maybe even STOP the fly over until those assholes who don't want to stand up get their act together?

If they want to kneel down to protest, why not just do it inside their dressing room? Attention whores. I bet some of them don't even know why they are doing it.

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Originally posted by Cookster:
Maybe President Trump can re-direct the fly-over team to a much more worthy and deserving event on shit-show bowl Sunday, like a military veteran's funeral or something?!
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They know why.

They are working toward Zimbabwe in the USA and they can t wait for the day ...

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Originally posted by ador:
I bet some of them don't even know why they are doing it.

Some? My bet is the number is far larger than that given the IQ of these nitwits on a knee. These are the type of people who can't even remember if they wiped when they finished 10 minutes ago.