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No double standards
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Originally posted by smschulz:
While I am fully in support of the ad, I can see why the NFL would not want to stir up the hornets nest anymore.
It would only create more controversy that would not be good for business.


Maybe.

Or standing up to the very vocal minority might bring in more business than it pushes away.




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“It’s never been a place for advertising that could be considered by some as a political statement,” McCarthy told Army Times.

Oh I get it now. The program is off limits for political statements, but the sidelines are fair game. Fuckwits.


Only if the political statement sides with the NFL. Plenty of ads that lean to the left like the 84 Lumber commercial from last year.
 
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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:...There are other things more precious to me...


Sidenote. While planting Memorial Day flags at the Golden Gate National Cemetery with our Cub Scouts, I have seen first hand what the picture represents.




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- Judge Learned Hand, May 1944
 
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Anyone who thinks I do not love my country and support what is good an right about our country and people because I might watch a pro football game is wrong. Dead wrong.

I do dislike guys who openly disrespect our anthem and flag and those who have served and sacrificed greatly for it. I absolutely do.

But those who have, do and did. Did so, so that idiots like these have the right to do so. Even as wrong as it is.

I root for those like Andrew Villanueva. Even an owner like Jerry Jones who openly supports standing and not kneeling. I know many hate him. I do not support a team but rather those that I know are good guys. There are many on each team.

Those of you who come in these threads and bash those who may enjoy watching a physical competition like football need to make sure your house is clean. Because in our county more than ever before. There are companies and people undermining the fabric of our society. Every place you go and everything you purchase to a great degree has some level of it.

Do not run from it, but rather stand and fight for what is right or you will lose it all.

I am done on this topic but do not tell me I do not love my country.


Exactly Ackks, They see it and know it. But will never admit it. It is just so easy to single out the nfl and not all those brands they cannot live without. It is there own version of the hypocritical double standard.

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Originally posted by ensigmatic:
Yeah... we want to stay away from that. The boss laid down the law: There'll be no "eating our own" here.


Got a link? I don't doubt that he did, but I missed it. If there's something in this thread that's over the top compared to times past, I'm missing that as well. Thanks.

Yes, he did, many times. You simply missed them. But, I agree, there is nothing in this thread that would amount to "eating our own", imho. My statement was simply an observation.


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Nice is overrated

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ok I am sure this thread will soon be locked. But I would venture to say that there are 10 guys doing good for every one that isn't. Like Nick foles or the other qb and his coach who opened endorsed our current potus to just name a few. I get it that you do not like the brand for their stupidity.

Let us not be so hypocritical. How many work for our government, their spouse or offspring that so many rail against for one reason or another. Rely on it to the detriment of our greater society. But will not openly admit it here. Just silly.

I know they {nfl] are an easy target. They deserve much of what they get I agree. But to use that broad paint brush to paint all those high paid athletes is easy. But many do not fit the mold some of you so easily try to put them in.
Consider this my explanation for why I want 'nothing' to do with the NFL. I'm not refusing to watch or attend games because of the players. For the most part they're behaving exactly how I expect illiterate, immoral, thugs to behave. And Craperdick? Yes, I think he's garbage, but he's not really the focus of my real issues.

I refuse to have anything to do with the NFL because of the team owners and their corrupt, criminal, commissioner. They've proven they don't give a damn what is right and wrong, and that they're cowardice is only surpassed by their hypocrisy. This whole 'movement' could have (and should have) been nipped in the bud on day one when it popped up (ya see any more kneeling MLB players after that first nitwit in Oakland tried it?). The owners and the league are unworthy of my respect, time, or $$$, and I hope they continue to fade away into complete obscurity.


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Originally posted by ensigmatic:

I don't mean this accusingly, but out of simple, sincere curiosity: Why?

I ask because I do not understand it. I do not understand it perhaps in large part due to the fact I've really been interested in most pro sports, and football not at all. Ever. (Maybe, for that reason, I cannot be made to understand it?)

But there have been things in my life of which I have partaken that, when I was given sufficient cause, I dropped them.

Now I'm not the most Rah Rah Patriotic person I know--by a long shot. Much stuff I see that's negative about my country just rolls off. But this... I think that if I had been a fan, I'd be an ex-fan now. Kind of like the Dolly Parton Dixie thing. As Para said: She's dead to me now.

The NFL's behavior strikes me as particularly egregious. And it just keeps coming.


I don't mean this accusingly either, but why not feel the same about TV, movies, Comcast, Amazon, or Google? By watching TV, going to the movies, using Google, or shopping on Amazon you are supporting people who believe the same things as the players who were protesting. They may not be kneeling during the Anthem, but they are taking their money and supporting all kinds of progressive movements and politicians. Heck, many of the products we use on a daily basis are made by companies that donate their profits to those same groups.

I think it's great if people want to boycott the NFL, but it is something a lot of us enjoy. The same way a lot of people enjoy watching movies on Xfinity. Maybe that helps you understand a bit?
 
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Its a shame that they took a game I liked watching and reduced it to shenanigans. From the NFL/Verizon emails I've been getting, the NFL decided to allow all mobile devices to stream games for free. I've got to think its because they are taking a big hit and trying to repopularize as these are the same people who said tape a game and we'll sue.
 
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Haven't watched an NFL game in 2 years. If the Dolphins ever make the playoffs again perhaps I will, I'm pretty safe for now I think.



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Maybe President Trump can re-direct the fly-over team to a much more worthy and deserving event on shit-show bowl Sunday, like a military veteran's funeral or something?!
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I'll do better than that:
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Originally posted by parabellum:
This is a good time for me to let you guys know that those members who continue to support the NFL are welcome to continue having discussions about the game without any interference from members who oppose the NFL.


Thanks. Your original comment made me think we were in dangerous waters. I was making sure I understood. Thanks again.
 
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Haven’t watched a nfl game in years, but I went on the web, looked up,nfl sponsors, on the ones that I could find a contact us on their web site I told them that neither my family or me would buy their product as long as they supported the nfl thru their advertising. Several of them contacted me to apologize, if enough people would do that I bet the nfl would cut that crap out because it was costing them advertisers and therefore money.
 
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I don't mean this accusingly either, but why not feel the same about TV, movies, Comcast, Amazon, or Google?

Be careful with those assumptions Wink

There are TV shows I've abandoned for the politics expressed in them. There are musicians to whom I will no longer listen and actors and actresses whose movies I will now longer watch for their politics.

I don't use hardly anything Google, any more, and that is partly because of their politics. (But only partly.)

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By watching TV, going to the movies, using Google, or shopping on Amazon you are supporting people who believe the same things as the players who were protesting.

By that reasoning anything we do supports regressive causes, so we should do nothing?

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Maybe that helps you understand a bit?

Nope. But, upon reflection, I don't have to understand it. Thanks for attempting to explain, anyway.



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Unfortunately, there are more than a few that will continue to support these un-American asshats Frown


Yes, certainly more than a few, and it's very discouraging. On the ship, only one other guy and I (of those who actually used to watch football enthusiastically and regularly) care enough not to support the godawful nfl. The rest are as gung-ho about their precious football as ever. I find it pretty appalling, but at this point I just keep it to myself.

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Originally posted by ensigmatic:
I don't mean this accusingly, but out of simple, sincere curiosity: Why?



Come on, that's easy why people still support them. For some it's just pure indifference; they don't care about the flag or never before really gave much thought to what it signifies. For others, they simply can't bear to give up something that they enjoy doing and will rationalize any reason not to do so. After all, "it's just a few people kneeling and disrespecting the men and women who died for this country, right? Only a few that the nfl allow on its dime to spit on soldiers' graves. And anyway, what difference does one person not watching make? I might as well keep watching my precious football. Hey, everyone's doing it. And I really love it."

Well, not this guy. I'll continue not to watch. Two complete seasons now I haven't watched, and so far the nfl has given me absolutely no reason to come back.

Until these collective idiots get a clue as to why we stand for the flag and our anthem, I can't be bothered with them...no matter how many individual players are "doing it right."

There are other things more precious to me...
I highly respect your post here Balze. Thank you.
 
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This week has not been kind to liberals. In Congress and football. TFB!

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The NFL is dying, but it may be a while before the participants recognize the fact. I'll never watch again, but their problems go much deeper than my viewership.
 
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"...reprehensible and totally beyond the pale.” Yes.

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Read the OP to my wife, she responded "well hell we are not watching that game".
Love her much!


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There are other things more precious to me...


I'm not too proud to say that this post brought tears to my eyes....



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