I know that the ACLU is a totally useless organization (and don't look at their website right now if you don't want to be pissed off,) but I plan on writing them letters asking them to pursue this and other instances of Government overreach going on right now. I would encourage others to do the same. Sure it's probably a waste of time, but time is something quite a few of us probably have an excess of right now given the circumstances. They waste a ton of money lobbying against us, it would be nice to convince them to spend at least a fraction of it lobbying for us.

Mr. Mooney took his girls, to play some nice tee-ball
But three Popo down in Brighton, converged upon them all,
Was video-recorded by Mr. Wallin from Town Hall
Must have been deaf, dumb and blind cops, to make
such
a
badcaaaaaall.


[ No offense to most LE intended, just these guys. ]

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Originally posted by Jimbo Jones:

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With the crisis not being as dire as the talking heads predicted, which is a great thing for everyone

, but it gives the small percentage of LEOs that maybe shouldnt have a badge (or maybe should just have better leadership within the department and better training) more time on their hands to pull fascist crap like this.

Really??? Must be difficult to see or get around with your head that far up your backside.

I don't care if you live in Mayberry, this virus will come to your town and it will be brought their by someone thinking it's nothing to be concerned about. The latest news on this virus is that an asymptomatic carrier can infect 40 to 60 people directly and each new infected person person could pass it on to another 40-60. Who do you plan on passing this virus to? BTW, odds are near certain it will be a close family member or friend but just using a gas pump is enough to pass it on.

BTW, I live in Metro Detroit and have COPD and Heart Disease, so I tend to regard those who don't pay attention to distancing or the need for it as potential murderers.

However I will also note that the police officers in this case are MORONS. Simple observation for just a few moments would have made it obvious that this was simply a small family in the park and of no concern in regards to distancing. Hopefully the Chief of Police will see what is quite obvious and suspend the officers involved in the initial contact without pay. If he doesn't then after this mess has passed the citizens need to start lobbying the City Council to remove the Chief.

Hey Scooter, this is the wrong thread for your virus talk. I believe there's already a thread for that shit.

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I'm curious, for those of you who live in states that issued a Shelter-in-Place (SiP) or Stay-at-Home (SaH) order...how many of you have actually taken the time to read the order? And for those that have, are you seeing a long list of exemptions for certain "Essential" or "Critical" jobs, industries, and activities?

Yes. I read my governor's order. It was remarkably hard to find the actual text the day after issuance. It wasn't on the governor's web page, it wasn't on the Floridahealth.gov COVID webpage, and it wasn't on the Floridadisaster.org webpage. I did eventually find it on a news site, of all places, that had an actual link to it, rather than just a report on the "stay at home" bits. It's now easy to find, but that just goes to show the confusion evident everywhere as events move quickly.

While I instinctively don't like the order, in reality, it is measured, sensible, and seems to be reasonable under the circumstances. Floridians don't seem to be obeying it as much as they probably should be for their own good, and the local police seem to be taking a pretty "hands off" approach to enforcement. All in, the government and citizens here in central Florida seem to have struck a reasonable balance.

ETA: Florida Executive Order 20-19 Link

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My wife and I walk our dog every evening before dinner. Just the two of us and we keep our distance from others in the rare occurrence that we even see anyone else out and about. Safe and responsible.
I'm at a loss on how I'd react to one of these goons illegally harassing my wife and I. Are we to just go along with being treated as such?
I guess this is my plan for now.

It's always measured and reasonable until it isn't. This country seems to value safety much more than freedom.

I knew that this incident had been reported in the main C-19 thread, but I don’t blame anyone who wasn’t aware of that post. Although I understand the reason for the ban on new threads about the disease, because that one has degenerated to such a large degree of being more about whining and bitches than useful information, it’s hard to get much useful information from it any longer—unlike this one.

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Originally posted by bdylan:
It's always measured and reasonable until it isn't. This country seems to value safety much more than freedom.

The key is to keep it measured and reasonable. This father, aided, it seems by members of his city council, did exactly that. He took action, highlighted emerging tyrrany, and forced a change of direction by the local police, and gained the support of at least a portion of the local city council.

The maintenance of public health is a valid exercise of government power. Essential police services for public order and essential regulation for public health are two of the most basic functions of any society. It is the obligation of the citizen to ensure that government does not overreach, and it is the obligation of government to react appropriately to the needs of the citizen. Maintaining that balance is not preferring safety over freedom, it is the proper function of society.

I'm shocked. Shocked I tell you.

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Originally posted by Modern Day Savage:

I'm curious, for those of you who live in states that issued a Shelter-in-Place (SiP) or Stay-at-Home (SaH) order...how many of you have actually taken the time to read the order? And for those that have, are you seeing a long list of exemptions for certain "Essential" or "Critical" jobs, industries, and activities?

... exempted activities such as what this father and daughter were using this park for.

I have. I've been trying to wonder if what I do, I'm a criminal defense attorney, means that that I can come to work or that I have to stay home. And the exemptions don't tell me, and when my partner and I used the method provided to ask if we were exempted, we got a response saying that due to the high number of requests for clarification on exemptions, there would be no clarifications. So . . . that's how it is in Washington State.

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Originally posted by bdylan:
This country seems to value safety much more than freedom.

That’s not limited to here or to now, and not only safety but the security of a stable society with well-defined mores and rules. That’s one of the basic characteristics of being the social animals that humans are. As just one of countless examples throughout history, that’s the reason for all those “thou shalt” and “thou shalt nots” in the various bibles and other religious scripture. We can’t judge the overall prevalence of that desire for safety and security over freedom by some largely-mythical view of the U.S. experience and society because we are unique in many ways, and not only because of the Constitution.

To the OP since they cuffed him, put in the cruiser, then let him go it appears they were making a point since he wouldn't comply with the ID request.

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Floridians don't seem to be obeying it as much as they probably should be for their own good, and the local police seem to be taking a pretty "hands off" approach to enforcement. All in, the government and citizens here in central Florida seem to have struck a reasonable balance.

Agreed, the Police seem to be handling it well, and for the most part people are in compliance here, in the evenings I venture out on the motorcycle, the order states activities not in a group such as bicycles, walking, running etc. While it doesn't state motorcycles are ok, it also doesn't state they are banned.

My evening runs are great, few cars on the road, few LEO, nice cool air, and I'm always on the way to an essential place, be it liquor, cigars, guns, food, if stopped.

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Originally posted by cas:
Yep, by not showing his ID he was interfering with the police doing their duty.
(even if their duty was the only crime being committed)

It's a shame what we've come to.

What? You don't have to show ID if you're not doing anything wrong. They had no right to ask him for his ID.

I'm getting reports from friends of fines around Flint, MI for people buying non essential items. Flowers, mulch etc.

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Originally posted by FenderBender:
I'm shocked. Shocked I tell you.

Yes, I'm sure you are.

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Originally posted by 1967Goat:
What? You don't have to show ID if you're not doing anything wrong. They had no right to ask him for his ID.

It's a nice theory.
Him being cuffed and put in the car proves otherwise.

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Originally posted by cas:

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Originally posted by 1967Goat:
What? You don't have to show ID if you're not doing anything wrong. They had no right to ask him for his ID.

It's a nice theory.
Him being cuffed and put in the car proves otherwise.

No...all it proves it that they violated his rights and committed an illegal seizure of his person. They had no probable cause and not even a reasonable articulable suspicion.

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Originally posted by 229DAK:
Maybe next the Brighton police will execute a no-knock warrant at 0-dark thirty for Mr. and Mrs. Mooney sleeping in the same bed in their home, violating the state's social distancing guidelines.

Technically, Mr. and Mrs. Mooney would have to add at least two more people into the mix.

Some people just aren't fans of baseball.