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Originally posted by PowerSurge:
We do know what happened. Read the article. A sign in the park said no more than 4 people. It was only him, his wife and daughter. The police didn’t even practice social distancing. Go back and read the ENTIRE article. The cops were pissed off he didn’t show his ID, which he is not required to do.

It’s sad to see people support these JBT’s. And that’s what these particular cops are.

There is also video of the incident, and a Councilman has already submitted a request for the officer video that two of the six were wearing.

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Originally posted by braillediver:

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Originally posted by parabellum:
Zero. No more coronavirus threads in this forum. None.

Or C/P'ing whole articles in light blue text? Am I the only one who gets a headache? Or do I want new glasses?

With the crisis not being as dire as the talking heads predicted, which is a great thing for everyone, but it gives the small percentage of LEOs that maybe shouldnt have a badge (or maybe should just have better leadership within the department and better training) more time on their hands to pull fascist crap like this.

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Originally posted by PowerSurge:
We do know what happened. Read the article. A sign in the park said no more than 4 people. It was only him, his wife and daughter. The police didn’t even practice social distancing. Go back and read the ENTIRE article. The cops were pissed off he didn’t show his ID, which he is not required to do.

It’s sad to see people support these JBT’s. And that’s what these particular cops are.

I would argue that this thread isn’t about the COVID-19, but rather about police practices and powers and specifically about what happens when the police don’t understand the laws they’re expected to enforce. When the Colorado governor’s order was announced almost two weeks ago now, it was, as usual with headlines, simplified and trumpeted into a “Stay home!” dictate.

As soon as I read the actual order by the Colorado health officials, though, I realized it was full of exceptions, and most important for this case, it permitted virtually all outdoor activities as long as the other “social distancing” rules about large groups, etc., were followed. But because those exceptions were buried down within the health department order and not mentioned in the one by the governor’s office, it was immediately obvious to me that many people wouldn’t get the word, and I even raised that point locally. And this case seems to have been a perfect example of what I anticipated.

This was an incompetent failure by one police department, but it’s nothing new or unusual. I’ve seen the same failures to understand the law by other LEOs, prosecutors, and even judges (that’s why cases get overturned on appeal). The most egregious example that I’ll never forget because I witnessed it personally permitted a rapist/murderer to escape one of the few death sentences handed down by a court martial in the last 70+ years.

This is an egregious example of over-reach. I wouldn’t even be looking to speak to them, much less ignore the sign that actually invited them there in the first place. Personally, I’d be looking for a hungry lawyer looking to make a big score.

I work in MD. The governor has a stay at home order in place, but parks remain open on the pretense that you’re supposed to be able to exercise. I see social distancing “violations“ and won’t be talking to any of them. Why would I?

Maybe next the Brighton police will execute a no-knock warrant at 0-dark thirty for Mr. and Mrs. Mooney sleeping in the same bed in their home, violating the state's social distancing guidelines.

No one is mandated to a) Carry an ID in a park or other public place or b) produce it on demand.

They are required to give their name, and date of birth when asked to do so during an investigation.

That is all.

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Originally posted by was0311:
He did not show an ID.

He could have just left the park.

They were free to approach him, but he had absolutely no obligation to show them his I.D. He did not even have to talk to them since he was engaging in legal activity. They illegally detained him in violation of his rights against search and seizure. As a retired LEO, this is the type thing that gives lots of good officers a bad rep.

Unfortunately this type of behavior from our thugs with badges seems to be the norm. Very few cops around here that actually uphold their oaths.

There are so many lessons we can take from this tyranny here.
They all boil down to Government Control.
1984 was not far off.

When Para posted the edict about no new Corona virus threads I thanked him and posted that I was saddened and angered that he would have even had to issued it.

I posted this incident assuming it would be obvious to all that the topic was not about the COVID-19 virus.

This thread topic is about over reaction. Over reaction by a few police officers who should have taken a few moments to think before acting. Over reaction by a passerby or neighbor(s) who obviously called the police and reported the father daughter T-ball game. (Local news is reporting that the police were called in response to a softball game being played in the park and that the officers asked the participants to break up and follow the social distancing guidelines). This is a thread about unreasonable irrational fear by many citizens and the government officials who help to create it by rushing to issue poorly crafted laws that law enforcement has little time to understand or plan around or communicate to their officers or deputies before being expected to enforce them. This thread is about fear leading to over reaction leading to confusion, leading to yet more over reaction.

This thread is no more about the virus than the recent If your business is struggling or the RIP John Prine threads, to name just a few.

I don't want the damn virus discussed in this thread.

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Originally posted by sigfreund:
I would argue that this thread isn’t about the COVID-19, but rather about police practices and powers and specifically about what happens when the police don’t understand the laws they’re expected to enforce.

Thank you. It's nice to see at least a few members understand the point of this thread.

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I live in Colorado Springs, and the local news posted a story by the police encouraging people to inform on their neighbors who violate the 'social distancing' and stay-at-home nonsense. I skipped down to the comments section, and I was not disappointed.

While there were the expected 'we need to stay home to stop the spread' comments, most were along the lines of:
"Mind your own business."
"Karen just got a direct line to your manager and she's gonna use it!"
"You don't know why your neighbor leaves the house - stop wasting 911's time."

This is not about the virus. This is about TYRANNY, plain and simple. Sure, the guy could have 'shown ze papers,' but that is not the point. It's time we stand up to this sort of abuse and stop taking it laying down. The leftists are using this crisis to get us used to the big fat check from the government (carrot) and restrictions on our civil liberties (stick).

This illustrates the paradox/contradiction in this current situation. Jails are being emptied, to some extent to mitigate the transmission of virus; cops are told to use discretion or given outright arrest or cite protocols; politicians plead with people to not shoot each other as much on the weekends: but dangit get out there and get those social distance scofflaws(both real and imagined).
As has been seen in England and somewhat here, it's easier to go after twitter speech, police peoples' attitudes and beliefs than pursue actual crime. And it is a damn shame.

One movie I haven't tried to watch yet is Lives of Others, about East Germans and the Stasi. In the extreme, I sometimes worry that not only that we're headed that direction, but that we'll get there.

Proof that the cops will enforce tyrannical rules at their masters bidding.
Fucking redcoats.

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Originally posted by Woodman:

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Originally posted by braillediver:

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Originally posted by parabellum:
Zero. No more coronavirus threads in this forum. None.

Or C/P'ing whole articles in light blue text? Am I the only one who gets a headache? Or do I want new glasses?

Often, members post their own comments/ info followed by an article or document, and in many cases it's difficult to distinguish which text is comments and which is the article. Several years ago my practice was to bold all the article text for a clear visual cue as to which was which...but then had a member accuse me of over-emphasizing and being overly dramatic... so I started using a different text color to distinguish the two and settled on the forum's blue as the least harsh/ easiest to read.

Is there a different forum text color that you feel is easier to read?

...OR, you could have simply clicked on the hyperlink to the article and read the article at it's source and simply ignored the nasty blue text.

Yep, by not showing his ID he was interfering with the police doing their duty.
(even if their duty was the only crime being committed)

It's a shame what we've come to.

This is a good thread, and very different from the COVID-19 thread. I’m concerned about the numerous examples of social control we’ve been seeing in the news, because I’ve been anecdotally seeing them myself: people kicked off the beach despite being totally alone with one other person, people kicked out of open air parks, etc.

It's not like he used hate speech or something... Then he should be arrested

I've always wondered how the nazis got the Jews into boxcars so willingly. After seeing what's gone on in this country over the past several weeks, I think over half the population would load themselves and would give directions to the camps.

Another lot would be more than willing to crank open the gas valves.

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Originally posted by sigfreund:
As soon as I read the actual order by the Colorado health officials, though, I realized it was full of exceptions, and most important for this case, it permitted virtually all outdoor activities as long as the other “social distancing” rules about large groups, etc., were followed. But because those exceptions were buried down within the health department order and not mentioned in the one by the governor’s office, it was immediately obvious to me that many people wouldn’t get the word, and I even raised that point locally. And this case seems to have been a perfect example of what I anticipated.

I read the same order sigfreund read and so understood (some what anyways) the multiple exemptions to the Stay at Home order...

...but now I find myself forced to admit (another) assumption on my part. I assumed that those residents living in other states would have read any emergency order they were required to comply with, and would have understood any exemptions listed.

I'm curious, for those of you who live in states that issued a Shelter-in-Place (SiP) or Stay-at-Home (SaH) order...how many of you have actually taken the time to read the order? And for those that have, are you seeing a long list of exemptions for certain "Essential" or "Critical" jobs, industries, and activities?

... exempted activities such as what this father and daughter were using this park for.