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Originally posted by parabellum:
No kidding. You wear clothes, don't you?

Yeah, and I suspect you do, too?

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You suppress your NATURAL urge to try to fuck every attractive woman you see, don't you?

I don't have that urge, do you? And I suspect most men don't.

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After all, running around buck naked with a hard-on is innate for Man, is it not?

No, it isn't, and I suspect you know that.

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Forget about it being "in him". You want it to be "in her".

Nope, perhaps you have me mistaken for someone else. I and I suspect most men don't think that likme constantly.

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Do you kill anyone you so desire? Tribalism is ingrained in we high-order social primates. Why not have at it?

I don't have a desire to kill anyone. Unless then need killing. That's what's ingrained in man. If it were that way, man would have been extinct long ago.

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Well, what's with all this suppression of these natural impulses? But, let's do kill animals without need. Yeah, we can still have that one. Yay.

Oh, need. There's that word. Why do anything without "need?" Why have a car that can break the speed limit? Why eat anything that tastes good if it's unhealthy? Why have leather in your life when synthetics are just as good? Why eat meat at all? Do you think that cows and chickens just go to sleep and never wake up? No, they get killed, and there's little difference in who does it. And any notion to the contrary is myopic, at best.

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Oh, please. You are fooling yourself, and no one else. It's flowery language, and I'm sorry to say meaningless. You need to drill down farther into the human brain to reach the region which creates/controls predatory behavior.

I think you've seen The Last of the Mohicans one too many times.

Oh please, this whole website is about predatory behavior, about the ingrained violent side of all men. You're saying that is plainly laughable.

You can go on deluding yourself by attaching mystical symbolism to some guy killing an elephant or whatever. I don't believe for a second that your average trophy hunter is aspiring to play his part in completing some grand circle of life you have running around in your head.

Oh, OK, so you're female, then. I wasn't aware of that. That being the case, I wouldn't expect you to understand men, at least not to such a degree.

Otherwise, it's just intellectual dishonesty.

I'm not the one deluding myself. It's you. And I don't need a movie clip to make my arguments for me.

Oh, please.

Oh, yes, I "need" a movie clip, lest you and your frontal lobe just steam right over me, huh?

Let me tell you something- in this forum, I don't have to put with shit from anyone, and you'd better remember that, and I don't give a damn if that makes you feel the need to rare up on your hind legs and howl at me. You cool your jets. I don't owe you jack shit in the way of explanations. The day I put up with shit from a snarky member in this forum is the day I die.

I've stated my position quite clearly, and I have yet to see from anyone in this thread, a rational argument as to why it's morally justifiable to kill animals merely for sport. Perhaps the reason for this is because there is no such argument to be had. And that, apparently, makes some of you mad, and you've taken this personally.

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Originally posted by Micropterus:
I'm not the one deluding myself. It's you. And I don't need a movie clip to make my arguments for me.

If one were to think long and hard on it, living in a civilized society requires us to deny many natural urges.

The other day the people down the street let their big ass aggressive dog get out. It promptly came into my yard and attempted to eat my neighbors cat. I suppressed the urge to put a hydra shok in its brain pan and opted instead to yell and advance on it. Apparently having a big screaming fat, ugly , hairless ape coming at it was enough as it promptly retreated home.

No cops, no dead pets. No pissed off neighbors. Quite civilized.

Just because you can, doesn't always mean you should.

I'm a savage who really does find killing fun. I could shoot varmints and predators all day long...let them lay where they drop. It's great practice and I've never once considered it morally wrong. Still don't.

Y'see, that's the thing- you're welcome to do these things. I'm certain you are hunting within the confines of any applicable laws. Countless people hunt.

Yet, let someone state an opinion counter to the belief that killing for sport is OK and oh my, well we can't have that, can we?

How strange is that? I'm not entitled to utter an opinion on the subject without some of you taking it personally. On the other hand, you're out there killing things that are minding their own business and no one's stopping you. Seems a bit lopsided, doesn't it?

Members of this forum have discussed hunting many times. I don't stop them. If you eat what you kill, more power to you. Additional kudos if you tan the hide and use that as well. Just don't kill something just so you can put up a pic on Facebook.

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Originally posted by parabellum:

Let me tell you something- in this forum, I don't have to put with shit from anyone, and you'd better remember that, and I don't give a damn if that makes you feel the need to rare up on your hind legs and howl at me. You cool your jets. I don't owe you jack shit in the way of explanations. The day I put up with shit from a snarky member in this forum is the day I die.

Then YOU have a decision to make, don't you? If you think for one minute I will abandon truth or change my convictions to be part of this forum, you are sadly mistaken. You're proven time and time again that you are incapable of having a rational discussion when you disagree with someone. It's plain for everyone that the rudeness and the irrationality emanated from you and you alone. You, sir, need to grow up and rethink the reputation you have. (But, whether or not you do, I care not.) I will not, on this forum or anywhere else, ever kiss anyone's ass, including yours. You asked for the discussion with your comments, and you got it. And now your delicate sensitivities have been injured. If you are incapable of having a rational discussion, that's your problem, not mine. And if you now want to pick up your toys and send me home, have at it. But be not mistaken again; I was not rude to you. YOU were rude to me.

And another thing, if you think for even a millisecond that my happiness has anything to do with my ability to post on this forum, you've wasted a millisecond of your time.

So, if you can be a man and have discussion with people even when you disagree, fine. If not, ban me, moderate me, whatever soothes your ego. But if you allow me to stay, then you better get used to respectful disagreement. Otherwise, just ban me.

Decision time. And I'm fine with it either way.

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Originally posted by bdylan:
I'm a savage who really does find killing fun. I could shoot varmints and predators all day long...let them lay where they drop. It's great practice and I've never once considered it morally wrong. Still don't.

I'll not get into morality. I don't consider myself a very moral person.

I'm more in the camp of "what's the point"? Kill just to kill?

Now, keep in mind I'm also not one to consider myself superior to other living beings, so my views may not align with others.

But I feel that killing just to kill requires me not to be somewhat put off next time I'm laying on the street , bleeding out, while some thug rummages my pockets for cash. Because natural urges. That's the savage way.

Oh, Jesus, get off of it, and no, I don't have any decisions to make. Stay, go, whatever, but you are through with this thread and you will stay out of it, and if you consider that a challenge and you just HAVE to post to show how defiant you are, then YOU go ahead. I can see that's where this is headed.

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Decision time.

Yeah. For you, and you know what you can do with your drama. Either way, I'm not listening to any more of your shit.

The only thing I hope for when someone trophy hunts is the money paid goes to improving the herd.

I remember when Cecil the lion got killed by a trophy hunter and everyone got their panties in a bunch. The reality was the guy paid $50k to shoot Cecil and the money went into the conservation of the other animals in the area. Apparently he was old and sick and didn’t have much time left so they let some person who gets something out of trophy hunting and put the money to help the other animals instead off just letting him die.

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Originally posted by parabellum:
Y'see, that's the thing- you're welcome to do these things. I'm certain you are hunting within the confines of any applicable laws. Countless people hunt.

Yet, let someone state an opinion counter to the belief that killing for sport is OK and oh my, well we can't have that, can we?

How strange is that? I'm not entitled to utter an opinion on the subject without some of you taking it personally. On the other hand, you're out there killing things that are minding their own business and no one's stopping you. Seems a bit lopsided, doesn't it?

Members of this forum have discussed hunting many times. I don't stop them. If you eat what you kill, more power to you. Additional kudos if you tan the hide and use that as well. Just don't kill something just so you can put up a pic on Facebook.

I have no problem with the opinion that killing for sport is wrong. It's the kind of moral philosophy that makes humans feel warm and superior. It's a popular opinion much like the idea that some greater power cares what you do and think. Heck, it may actually be morally wrong and I may have all kinds of marks against me in the big book the Big Guy uses to track these things.

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Originally posted by 1s1k:
The only thing I hope for when someone trophy hunts is the money paid goes to improving the herd.

I remember when Cecil the lion got killed by a trophy hunter and everyone got their panties in a bunch. The reality was the guy paid $50k to shoot Cecil and the money went into the conservation of the other animals in the area. Apparently he was old and sick and didn’t have much time left so they let some person who gets something out of trophy hunting and put the money to help the other animals instead off just letting him die.

If these people were so interested in conservation, could these people NOT blow out the animals brains and cut off the ivory? Just donate?

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Originally posted by bdylan:
I have no problem with the opinion that killing for sport is wrong. It's the kind of moral philosophy that makes humans feel warm and superior. It's a popular opinion much like the idea that some greater power cares what you do and think. Heck, it may actually be morally wrong and I may have all kinds of marks against me in the big book the Big Guy uses to track these things.

My belief that needless killing is wrong does not stem from a feeling of superiority. Actually, it's quite the opposite, and if you stop trying to be cute for just a minute and think about it, you might understand what I'm saying.

Furthermore, I don't believe for one second that you're not bothered by my opinion. It's apparent in your posts. All this "I'm just a savage and I'll kill em and leave their caracasses to rot" crap. Just cool it.

I just think that if you have the cabbage to spare just donate it.

I love the humane society. If I donate should I demand that I get get to euthanize as many at risk animals as I can in an 8 hour period?

If you kill and enjoy then fine.

But those of us decide not to participate have a voice also.

You're barking up the wrong tree. It's called "trophy hunting" for a reason. There's no benevolence involved.

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Originally posted by parabellum:
You're barking up the wrong tree. It's called "trophy hunting" for a reason. There's no benevolence involved.

I've been there. I participated. I was wrong. Not necessary unless under specific circumstances.

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Originally posted by parabellum:

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Originally posted by bdylan:
I have no problem with the opinion that killing for sport is wrong. It's the kind of moral philosophy that makes humans feel warm and superior. It's a popular opinion much like the idea that some greater power cares what you do and think. Heck, it may actually be morally wrong and I may have all kinds of marks against me in the big book the Big Guy uses to track these things.

My belief that needless killing is wrong does not stem from a feeling of superiority. Actually, it's quite the opposite, and if you stop trying to be cute for just a minute and think about it, you might understand what I'm saying.

Furthermore, I don't believe for one second that you're not bothered by my opinion. It's apparent in your posts. All this "I'm just a savage and I'll kill em and leave their caracasses to rot" crap. Just cool it.

Haha...sure thing, boss.

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Originally posted by Micropterus:

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You suppress your NATURAL urge to try to fuck every attractive woman you see, don't you?

I don't have that urge, do you? And I suspect most men don't.

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Originally posted by highroundcount:

Eh. Im old, fat and drunk most of the time. Yet I still do. Are ya'll ingesting to much soy?

Y'all? I think you misread the meaning of my post.