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Originally posted by konata88:
What I've been wondering about is the source of vaccines these days. Many medications are made in India or chicom it seems. Not sure about vaccines. I assumed when I was young, vaccines were made in a first world country. I no longer have that confidence now unless verified. The absence of verification would make me hesitant.

Vaccines made in the US are covered under US vaccine liability laws. Basically the U.S. government covers any legal claims for the pharmaceutical companies.

Vaccines made outside the US are NOT covered automatically. When I got the vaccine for Yellow Fever before going to Brazil, the company doc didn't have any because of a shortage and I had to go to an offsite place and sign a bunch of forms because I was getting a French made version. The U.S. govt was covering liability anyway but there was about 30 minutes of talking to the doc and signing papers.

So I would say in most cases vaccines kids get a U.S. made.

I agree with getting MMR, Polio, DPT and the "normal" stuff we got in the 60's, 70's, and 80's.

At this point I do not agree with kids getting Hep A, Hep B, and other blood born diseases that they cannot get through casual contact. Localities are pushing these because they are mostly sexually transmitted and kids "might" start having sex before parents are aware. Kids have zero risk from COVID so they certainly don't need that. Meningitis yes, but probably only as a late teen before college. All the outbreaks, some deadly at my college when I was there, seem to be college kids. Chicken Pox is just something you get and it goes away and is rarely serious. Not sure why we need a vaccine except to avoid parents giving kids aspirin and causing Reye's Syndrome. I'm sure that's a big reason for the vaccine.

Not sure what else is there. I got vaccines for Hep A, Hep B for travel in East Asia, Yellow Fever as stated earlier for Brazil, and Typhus every 2 years for both of those as well as India.

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Originally posted by wcb6092:
Just take a look at what is on the schedule now.

Child and Adolescent Immunization Schedule by Age (Addendum updated August 7, 2025)

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/h...-adolescent-age.html

Just too damn many things that most kids will never be exposed to unless they leave the U.S.

Lot of this should be dependent on international travel, if any.

And why so young? Lot of it can wait until they are older.

Well you can write me off when it comes to knowing about vaccines and children because I never had any children, but having been in the horse business for 50+yrs we stopped giving the horses 5 or 6 all-in-one vaccinations many yrs ago because of the nasty reactions from those all-in-ones. When they are spread out the reactions are mostly non existent.
Personally, I have never had a flu shot per se but since I had Chicken Pox I got the shingles shots(2), and yrs ago got a Smallpox vaccination. I also got the Polio vaccination when it came on a sugar cube on a tray full of sugar cubes and you walked in a line to take and eat one of those cubes.

That article says they were for rubella - which was dangerous to pregnant women.

Veterinary medicine is usually at least 5 years ahead of human - sometimes 20.

I wonder if anti-vaxxer is really an accurate term. Or just a sensationalist term that overstates the position.

While I'm sure that there people that are against vaccines, full stop, the term doesn't allow for other perspectives.

For example, I'm very wary of vaccines now. I'm generally supportive of vaccines in concept. Smallpox and polio vaccines seem to have done wonders in the past.

However, I've become wary of vaccines in today's modern environment. Outsourced manufacturing. Quality / content issues. Corruption from many possible vectors. The sway of money over content quality and testing. The erosion of the scientific method. Social / Political influences that are contrary to true medical direction. The corruption and erosion of competency and integrity in the medical and academic constructs. And so on. None of this is absolute of course. But the recent years have demonstrated enough for me to become wary. Like I suggested above, even for vaccines that have been around for a long time in concept, who knows if they are now being 'updated' for cost savings and improved margins. And what, if any, risks they may entail. I've lost confidence in adherence to 'first to do no harm' as a guiding principle of behavior. Caveat emptor applies doubly to anything health related these days, not just to a something sold at the mall.

ETA: my opinion may be influenced by being solidly in enemy territory vs residing in a free state.

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Originally posted by nhtagmember:
As for your daughter, I think she should get the MMR shot but NONE of the combo shots.

MMR is a combo shot.

Your wife sounds like a cukoo like me. I'm convinced my daughter's chronic eczema and severe gluten allergy are vaccine injuries, but I suspect it was from the Hep/Tdap/DTAP barrage she recieved at birth and then at 9 months.

At 5 years I asked the doctor if he could choose ONE to give her, out of the three or so shots that were due, which one? MMR seemed reasonable.

The MMR jacked her up for a few days just at the two week mark when the Doc said to expect some lethargy.

She will not be adhering to the insane "schedule" going forward.

If you look at the extreme rate of auto-immune diseases and autism among children now, it's pretty obvious something is going on that was not happening in the 80s.

Measles (by itself), polio and whooping cough vaccines are old, established and proven. One would be foolish not to get those. MMR (measles, mumps & rubella/German measles), I always thought, was for adolescence.

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Originally posted by PASig:

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Originally posted by Expert308:

I'm all for the standard, traditional, proven old-school vaccines. MMR and the rest of them.

That's what I told her, we should not be skipping these ones that are 70+ years proven.

None of this new shit and def NEVER Covid. Hell, my kids never wore a mask anywhere ever.

You should read RFK's book "Vax Un-Vax". Pretty much no vaccine has a long proven record. Newer formulations are rolled out. Read about how they are approved, and how any of the older vaccines were approved. "Safe" is a meaningless word.

The Polio issue is perhaps not at all as it used to be, which is its own rabbit hole.

Lots of folks my dad’s age that I remember had pretty severe disbilities and lameness from polio, and they were the lucky ones who survived. Just a matter of time until it comes back.

Just about a year ago the wife and I had this very discussion. We no longer get the flu shot or really any other shot for that matter. We never got that Mrna covid shot either. We're done.

It’s definitely become a billion dollar industry and I would pick and choose which ones as well. Looking at this picture is scary enough.

Then again I know a lot of people still getting a Covid/flu shot to this day.

I never got the measles, but I vaguely remember a chicken pox party, and looking back I think I may have been a designated donor. Ha !

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Originally posted by 1s1k:
It’s definitely become a billion dollar industry and I would pick and choose which ones as well. Looking at this picture is scary enough.

Then again I know a lot of people still getting a Covid/flu shot to this day.

The pharma and medical industry has gone nuts.

I stand with your wife and respect her for standing her ground.

I’m going to throw out the idea of having your wife find a more holistic physician. I’m not saying ignore the gold standard of vaccinations. I’m a big fan of vaccines, but just the necessaries. You need to go to the next appointment or help her find someone that you both agree with. The pediatrician is just trying to do their job and follow the rules, but you need someone who thinks a bit more out of the box, and understands your caveats. I’m sure your wife will agree that your child’s immune system needs to be stimulated in order to fight off some of these childhood diseases.
As I mentioned, we tried to space out vaccinations, but we also traveled a lot in the first couple of years of our son‘s life so he did get vaccinated for many different things, and he has done well, in part because we spaced them out. I was also extremely vigilant with the nurses and doctors who administered the vaccines, and made sure we only got what was needed.

The immune system has a huge job to do. Overwhelming it only causes trouble as I think we’ve all seen, but I really feel that some of these are genuinely necessary and MMR is one of them.

PASig, you will never find me speaking that way publicly about my wife.

Just something for you to consider.

I stopped getting flu shots when they started giving me the same symptoms as the flu for a day or two. I’ve only ever had a couple of cases of the flu that lasted more a day or two. And a doctor once told me I didn’t have the flu then, but couldn’t tell me what I had.

I also intentionally sought out the J&J Covid shots, as it wasn’t mRNA, was old school tech, and there were rumors when I got it that it didn’t do anything (even better in my view). I only got it to be able to travel overseas. It too caused flu symptoms for a solid day.

I wouldn’t give my dogs a ton of vaccinations at the same time, why do it to a human child?

Measles is insanely contagious, and can cause fatalities, so it is nothing to mess with. Having a child with chickenpox is not a good time, and leaves them with the chance of getting shingles later in life. Shingles is very painful, and can cause neurological issues for quite a while afterward. I have a cousin who was one of the last people who got polio in this country, and he has to wear a leg brace to this day.

I guess what I’m saying is do your research on the individual diseases and vaccines, so you can weigh the risks and benefits. Also sit down and talk this through rationally with your wife, if at all possible.

For decades I “had” to get a flu shot every year as part of my annual physical from the fire dept health center. EVERY YEAR I got the flu and was out for days.
I had all the vaccines or illnesses when I was a kid. I can only assume it was on the old schedule.

Since I retired, I haven’t taken one flu shot, no Wuflu shots and haven’t been sick ONCE!
I told my doc, when he was pushing the shots, “I don’t ride to the hospital in the ‘germ box’ with sick people anymore. I’ll take my chances since I can limit my exposure just by walking away if I feel like it.”
No mRNA bullshit, never got WuFlu. I’m a pure blood.
My wife used to work with a gal that got God knows many boosters and has had Wuflu numerous times.
There might be a clue there…

It's no longer about protecting people, it's about profits.