Wife tells me that checkup for our 5 year old girl went well except for the end when the doctor called her "foolish" and I asked why. She apparently refused ANY of the vaccines due for this girl to include Measles. I told her that I did not agree with her thinking and that our little girls needs to get the standard ones that have been proven for years and God forbid she gets something like the measles because of her refusal. She agreed that she would get certain ones like the MMR singly but did not want her getting the ones where it's like 5-in-1.

She has sort of gone off the deep end along with her mother since Covid and I think it's bad that now people are refusing ALL vaccines because of what happened. She wasn't even thrilled about me starting a statin earlier this year.

I really don't want any of our kids getting some effed up entirely preventable disease because of this thinking, not sure how to go about getting her to be more reasonable.

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I can understand her position - but I'm at the other end of the life curve.

My trust in Big Pharma NOT to adulterate vaccines with other items that cause illness in the future has resulted in me not ever getting another vaccine.

Covid was the cliff where they went too far. And they happily did that because it was all about the money. Pharma has a great deal to do to ever regain the trust.

As for your daughter, I think she should get the MMR shot but NONE of the combo shots. Also they're not shielded from liability on the older vaccines (which were true vaccines).

You have a tough choice ahead I think but I think your wife is right to be suspicious of an industry that puts profits ahead of patients.

You're kidding?

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Originally posted by xd45man:
You're kidding?

Is that directed at me?

I would agree on no 5 in one. We got vaccinations for all our kids but did it on a delayed program. Peds doc complained. I told them tuff shit. My oldest kid is 25 years old for reference.

If you look at the history and number they give kids these days it is crazy.

I no longer get the flu shot either. Told the hospital i work at tuff shit. Did not get the covid vaccine. mRNA vaccines have always been shit and we knew this since HIV came out.

I work in medicine. I no longer trust the government or big pharma for most things. That being said i do take medicine for high blood pressure and wear my cpap nightly.

Cant say i blame your wife.

I agree with 1flynDO, above.

Your wife loves your daughter, same as you do. You must realize that things have changed since Covid exposed it. You can no longer trust your government or big pharma. They both heavily influence your local doctor.

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I no longer get the flu shot

I was (past tense) a big proponent of annual flu shots, got them for decades.

October 2016 I was in my doc's office for routine 6-month checkup and he asked me if I wanted a flu shot. Sure, one-stop shopping, save me a trip, no need to go to minute clinic where I had been going in recent years.

Six weeks later I wound up in hospital, almost unable to move. Doc told me, in retrospect, that the Guillain Barré that hit me had maybe one chance in five million of popping up as a result of flu shot.

Doc now has me on the "no fly" list for most vaccines.

Right or wrong, I totally understand where your wife is coming from on this one.

When the Covid shots for kids got approved, the topic came up in my house. My son was six years old at the time. My wife said something like "of course I'm taking him to get the vaccine." She actually said she thought the risks of the "vaccine" outweigh him getting sick and dying. We've been together for almost twenty years. We've had some arguments, we've had some fights. I explained very calmly that I would actually fight her or anyone else to the death to keep it from happening, and if she went behind my back and did it, I was going to file for divorce on the spot. It's the one time I've ever said anything like that to her, and she understood I was serious about every word. We've all had it since, and when it was his turn, he was sick for about two days and then bouncing around the house again. He's had it exactly once.

She's got several friends that were all over social media with the masking and vaccine bullshit who in very recent years have developed some severe mystery illnesses. One of them has a blood clot in her brain as of a few weeks ago, and her doctors outright told her it was almost certainly from the Covid shots. She's 40.

I can't say I'm 100% on board with no vaccines, ever, but I also totally get where your wife is coming from and am more in her camp than yours.

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We got vaccinations for all our kids but did it on a delayed program. Peds doc complained. I told them tuff shit.

This is what I did for my children as well. Single proven shots spread out.

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We got vaccinations for all our kids but did it on a delayed program. Peds doc complained. I told them tuff shit.

This is what I did for my children as well. Single proven shots spread out.

We spread them out as well.

I know a lot of people in health care.

Some Vaccines are foolish not to get for your child.

Any parent that does not get at least Polio and measles is really putting their child at risk.

diphtheria, tetanus, and whooping cough (pertussis), take your chances, may not be fatal.

Chickenpox vaccine, may get scared for life, and may hate you at fifty when they get shingles. Unless they of course are smarter than your wife and take the shingles vaccine.

The COVID vaccine for children statistically is a waste, very few die of COVID, but cardiac problems are showing up where not expected.

There is a reason the U.S. has not reported any new cases of wild polio virus since 1993.

There is almost a 100% vaccination rate for Polio.

Your child could be the first if they don't get vaccinated.

If a doc is solidly against the covid shot but supportive of legacy vaccines like mmr, that's one thing. But if the doc is supportive of the covid shot, i wouldn't trust his opinion for anything else.

What I've been wondering about is the source of vaccines these days. Many medications are made in India or chicom it seems. Not sure about vaccines. I assumed when I was young, vaccines were made in a first world country. I no longer have that confidence now unless verified. The absence of verification would make me hesitant.

We have our child on a spread out regime and none of the new combo ones.

We did not give her polio, as she is many times more likely to be hit by lightning than to contract it - it’s a handful of cases in India and Pakistan.

She will probably get the polio vaccine when she is older.

We were going to give her MMR early, but the doc encouraged us to wait until after she was 1.

(I was once in biochemistry, mostly focused on virology, and I can’t figure out the articles about MMR at 6 months. I think something very hunky is going on.)

Tough position, I lean toward your wife and I hope you both can find some middle ground.

When I have conversations about things like this with people in the medical field they are quick to tell me that I am wrong, being outside of the medical field I do not understand. Then I point them to doctors (and studies) with the same views that i have and they have no response. They are indoctrinated with this stuff starting in college. I find it hard to even get a doctor to listen to alternatives.

I'm all for the standard, traditional, proven old-school vaccines. MMR and the rest of them. Anything new coming out, not so much. Especially the mRNA stuff.

I've had flu shots exactly twice in my life. The first one was when my employer went to the trouble to have a nurse come to the office to do them, and it was free, so I figured "What the hell, why not?" The nurse asked me if I'd had flu shots before. I said No, so she said after the shot I'd have to sit there in the room for 15 minutes just to be sure there wasn't going to be an unexpected reaction. So I got the shot, waited 15 minutes, all good, and went back to my cubical. 10 minutes later I thought I was dying. Nausea, dizziness, sweating, it all came on suddenly. It lasted about 5 minutes and then disappeared. Weird. No more flu shots after than, except once a few years later when I was being treated for cancer. My oncologist strongly recommended it because my immune system was in a weakened state. I did it and fortunately there was no reaction. No more since, though.

When the Covid vaccine came out, I jokingly told people "This is how the zombie apocalypse will get started." I was very skeptical just because of the way it was fast-tracked, and refused it. And still do to this day. Every year my doctor pushes me to get both the flu and Covid shots, and the new(-ish) RSV shot. And every year I say No. That mRNA business scares the shit out of me.

At one point my employer was considering making the Covid shot mandatory (even though we were all working remotely by then ). I had had a pulmonary embolism a couple years earlier, and my heart sustained some (thankfully temporary) damage from it. So after hearing some of the stories I was really worried about the Covid shot. I went to my doctor and asked him for a medical exemption on that basis, and he refused. Yeah, he played it right down the AMA line. Pissed me off. I was debating with myself about resigning rather than taking the shot, but fortunately the CEO decided not to go ahead with that. I will never take any mRNA vaccine.

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I'm all for the standard, traditional, proven old-school vaccines. MMR and the rest of them.

That's what I told her, we should not be skipping these ones that are 70+ years proven.

None of this new shit and def NEVER Covid. Hell, my kids never wore a mask anywhere ever.

I am old enough to remember when measle parties were a thing.

You sure you don’t mean chickenpox? Measles was horrific.

Just take a look at what is on the schedule now.


Child and Adolescent Immunization Schedule by Age (Addendum updated August 7, 2025)

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/h...-adolescent-age.html

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You sure you don’t mean chickenpox? Measles was horrific.

Did Pediatricians Ever Encourage Parents to Have Measles Parties?

https://vaxopedia.org/2019/09/...ave-measles-parties/