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Impressive speed, but the hunch-n-bob-n-weave at the end of each had me chuckling.

Or as Pat McNamara calls it, “range theatrics”. His speed is impressive but what are the chances of people dying/being unable to shoot back after only one shot? He may get off the first shots but he will need to keep firing until they stop moving. Outside of a well placed head shot people normally don’t die that quick. I had a SWAT officer tell me about how long it seems to take for someone to die when you are shooting at them and they are trying to kill you. He said it seems like an eternity.

I'd imagine he'd have enough time to deliver a second better aimed shot to anyone still posing a threat. Those drils look like they're designed to create the time to make decisions on who's still a threat.

The problem is that improper training ingrains bad habits. He’s obviously spent hours training so he will be apt to fire one shot and stop (which in real life allows the bad guy to fire back). I realize his bobbing and head movement is supposed to simulate assessing it he should continue to fire and not stop after one shot.

So after one short video you can determine not only what the shooter is trained to do, but you can also determine what faults are built into the training? Well ok then....

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The problem is that improper training ingrains bad habits. He’s obviously spent hours training so he will be apt to fire one shot and stop (which in real life allows the bad guy to fire back). I realize his bobbing and head movement is supposed to simulate assessing it he should continue to fire and not stop after one shot.

It’s “family style” serving. Everybody gets some before anyone gets seconds.
I imagine seconds and thirds could be severed up right quick by that guy.

He's so fast he can shoot himself four times before he even knows it.

at the risk of stating the obvious,

He is also practicing the concept that in close quarters you should keep your weapon close to you so it can't be grabbed

the bobbing and weaving is to survey the scene after shooting.

Tunnel vision is quite common in a shooting. That means your entire focus (and awareness) is only on the threat immediately in front of you.

So the turning left and right rapidly is training him to immediately check for more threats and break tunnel vision, and in his scenario there are obviously threats from all 4 directions so scanning side to side is a good idea to reevaluate

not preaching, just throwing out some thoughts

A) The man is clearly skilled.

B) I think a sawed off shotgun would be a better CQB weapon than a handgun

But I’m being a smart****

I was going to be a wise ass and say is that all he's got. But, that is very impressive.

Damn, he’s fast! With all that practice in such an enclosed area, bet he can’t hear a lick. I’ll just sneak up on him & stab his ass.

The other aspect, and I don’t think it’s fake, is the name is “John, son of Wick,” in Polish, right?

A “sawed-off” shotgun would not be a better weapon for that (admittedly highly unrealistic) situation. The smallest possible version would be far larger and slower to maneuver than a handgun and would be easier for an attacker to grab or deflect at such close distances. It would also be unhandy to conceal, and especially to holster to allow using both hands for other purposes before shooting. If carried concealed, what system would permit it to be drawn as quickly as the handgun? Then there’s the problem of operating the gun. A slide action (“pump”) gun would require both hands to cycle. An autoloading SBS could be operated with one hand—assuming it functioned properly that way.

Most significantly, though, is ammunition capacity. The 14 inch SBSes I am familiar with hold four shells in the magazine; adding one in the chamber gives us five, or about one-half to one-third of what most pistols carry today. An SBS that was small enough to be carried and handled in anything being close to what was possible with a handgun would hold what? Two or three rounds, maybe? Don’t miss, and maybe it would be good to have a bayonet on the thing as well.

I wonder how many holes he has in his jacket.

Tony.

at CSAT, we have to do the check down, left, right with the gun, then over both shoulders . . . then safe and holster.

Everytime you shoot no matter the drill.

The Real John Wick would do all that with a pencil.

A foooking PENCIL.

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I would be afraid to even try that

I imagine that he worked up to it, slowly.

Probably with airsoft first. That's a lot of muscle memory to program without starting off with a safe training aid. Probably zinged himself many times in the process, too.

I took training with a former Austrian Close Protection contract operative who taught much the same techniques. Techniques proven back in the heydays of Black September and Red Army Faction.

The class was tittled High Speed CQB.It isn't taught at a complete sequence, but as four separate techniques. We were taught to execute each technique and then back away to put more shots on target until the threat was down. What you're seeing in the video clip is the four techniques combined.

He instructed in the technique, then had use practice with an empty gun while closely watch how we moved. The important point is to keep you hands/arms out of the way as the muzzle crosses your body Then we shot it at half speed before going to full speed.

We learned a faster way to engage a target behind us, but it entailed moving forward instead of standing still. The technique was based on a person, standing behind you, holding a gun to your head

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I don't think I want to walk anywhere near him.

flashguy

I can do that. I just don't want to right now.

Impressive.

He just might even be faster than The Waco Kid!

That's pretty damn impressive.

Looks that I need more practice.

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at CSAT, we have to do the check down, left, right with the gun, then over both shoulders . . . then safe and holster.

Everytime you shoot no matter the drill.

Same at Sig Academy....or used to be anyway.