The possibilities are endless and none of them good


“A person is guilty of unlawful paramilitary activity, punishable as a Class 5 felony if he: 1. Teaches or demonstrates to any other person the use, application, or making of any firearm, explosive, or incendiary device, or technique capable of causing injury or death to persons, knowing or having reason to know or intending that such training will be employed for use in, or in furtherance of, a civil disorder”

https://www.lawenforcementtoda...activity-and-felony/

Which is part of the original VA code 18.2-433.2. This popped up in my FB feed a couple of days ago. SB64 amends an existing code, and the part you included is in the original code.

This shows what the proposed bill amends

The biggest change is the third paragraph...

"3. Assembles with one or more persons with the intent of intimidating any person or group of persons by drilling, parading, or marching with any firearm, any explosive or incendiary device, or any components or combination thereof."

What the fuck. I guess karate classes for the rug rats is out to then huh. Or any self defense class for that matter.

Only if you know your rugrats are going to employ it for use in, or in furtherance of, civil disorder.

Florida has a similar statute and has had for years. Nothing in it prohibits self defense training, only applies to individuals planning civil disorder

Do a bunch of guys training in the backwoods "intend" to intimidate? Do people using organized paintball tournaments "intend" to use that training with (gasp) real firearms to intimidate. We would probably say no. I wouldn't put it past the control craving lunatics to claim otherwise though.

I'm afraid my neighbor and his buddies who shoot guns a lot are going to go crazy and hurt me. I'm intimidated so I'll file a red flag report.

Not to mention the karate lessons.

Seem to recall something about the right to free assembly.

This kind of unconstitutional crap is going to be the catalyst. Who in the fuck do these people think they are? Huh? Just who do they think they are?

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Originally posted by AllenInWV:
Only if you know your rugrats are going to employ it for use in, or in furtherance of, civil disorder.

The people pushing it and the timing are suspect. You’ve got cities and counties all over the state declaring themselves 2A sanctuaries running up to what would probably be the biggest open carry rallies in the state history.

These assholes truly are asking for a real civil war.

It’s literally Christmas for Commies in VA right now. They think because they control the three arms of government in the state that they are all powerful. The potential for serious trouble ahead is staggering.

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Originally posted by Tn226:
Do a bunch of guys training in the backwoods "intend" to intimidate? Do people using organized paintball tournaments "intend" to use that training with (gasp) real firearms to intimidate. We would probably say no. I wouldn't put it past the control craving lunatics to claim otherwise though.

I'm afraid my neighbor and his buddies who shoot guns a lot are going to go crazy and hurt me. I'm intimidated so I'll file a red flag report.

Not to mention the karate lessons.

It is part and parcel of what the incoming collection of democraPs are putting out there. First they propose a plan to essentially disarm every gun owner in the state, and now this BS on para-military training. Remember that the democraPs now run the gubbornor, house and senate.

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Originally posted by Tn226:
“A person knowing or having reason to know or intending that such training will be employed for use in, or in furtherance of, a civil disorder”

And the “state“ in its ”wisdom” makes the rules on what a civil disorder is

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Originally posted by Tn226:
“A person is guilty of unlawful paramilitary activity, punishable as a Class 5 felony if he: 1. Teaches or demonstrates to any other person the use, application, or making of any firearm, explosive, or incendiary device, or technique capable of causing injury or death to persons, knowing or having reason to know or intending that such training will be employed for use in, or in furtherance of, a civil disorder”

Keep it up. They have no idea what civil disorder looks like.

I would think this would make Boyscouts a paramilitary organization. Or my summer camp as a kid. Or pistol safety classes.

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Originally posted by Skins2881:
I would think this would make Boyscouts a paramilitary organization.

Col Bella would agree with you

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Originally posted by Bisleyblackhawk:

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Originally posted by Tn226:
“A person knowing or having reason to know or intending that such training will be employed for use in, or in furtherance of, a civil disorder”

And the “state“ in its ”wisdom” makes the rules on what a civil disorder is

And given how selectively it gets enforced out here on the left coast - which is the model that the liberal elites on the other coast are trying to not only follow, but one up - I think the potential for Antifa types "counter-protesting armed alt-right protesters" and instigating violence is all but a given, and with this bit of legislation, it makes it clear who they want to enforce the laws on.

It sure seems there is some "trouble" coming soon in VA. This kind of crap keeps me up at night.

That code is from 1987. The whole bit about training has been on the books since 1987.

§ 18.2-433.2. Paramilitary activity prohibited.
A person shall be guilty of unlawful paramilitary activity, punishable as a Class 5 felony if he:

1. Teaches or demonstrates to any other person the use, application, or making of any firearm, explosive or incendiary device, or technique capable of causing injury or death to persons, knowing or having reason to know or intending that such training will be employed for use in, or in furtherance of, a civil disorder; or

2. Assembles with one or more persons for the purpose of training with, practicing with, or being instructed in the use of any firearm, explosive or incendiary device, or technique capable of causing injury or death to persons, intending to employ such training for use in, or in furtherance of, a civil disorder.

1987, c. 720.

SB64 adds the stuff about showing up to assemblies with weapons/explosives/and kung-fu grips.

Since it's been used on more than one occasion to put down legal assemblies of unions and protesting college students, would this not also indite the National Guard?