Apparently one or more of the LV shooters guns had this modification...
Just watched a couple of videos about them and all I can say is how does the ATF allow these...


I'm not saying they should be illegal just surprised....

Because you can't ban the law of physics.

For the record, don't own one or care to, Full auto, or rather psuedo full auto, seemed too expensive and waste of money.

Google will give you more reading than you can stand on these.

But they are legal because they still only permit one round to be fired per pull of the trigger. The definition of full auto in the law is essentially that more than one bullet is fire with a single pull of the trigger. A bump fire stock (and a dedicated bump fire stock isn't even needed to engage in bump firing) only makes it possible to pull the trigger very, very quickly.

It uses recoil and a pushing forward action to cause the shooter's finger to hit the trigger rapidly. The gun moves with recoil forces back and forth into the shooter's finger, rather than the shooter moving his finger.

Because the gun is moving so much, it isn't accurate or very controllable. But against an area target . . .

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Originally posted by smlsig:
Apparently one or more of the LV shooters guns had this modification...
Just watched a couple of videos about them and all I can say is how does the ATF allow these...


I'm not saying they should be illegal just surprised....

So, what are you saying? You statements contradict each other.

And, also for the record, I don't care for these bumpfire devices, or even real full autos, either.

Bump firing is nothing new. The ATF should ban rubber bands also. Where there’s a will, there’s a way. The law will never be able to legislate away the nutters.

I once had a Greek guy in a bar in Key West ask me a LOT of questions about guns. At first he seemed fascinated by the relatively open gun market here. Then he asked about bump stocks. And could I buy them. And could I ship them. I told him I had to take a leak and slipped out the back door. It got creepy in a hurry.

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Originally posted by kilyung:
Bump firing is nothing new. The ATF should ban rubber bands also. Where there’s a will, there’s a way. The law will never be able to legislate away the nutters.

Yup. If anyone says they think bump stocks should be banned they are saying the .gov should tell you how fast you can fire your semiautimatic firearm. So they ban those stocks because they "fire too fast". What happens when they see a video of Jerry Miculek? You can't ban his finger. So instead they ban his guns.

Until it fires more than one round per trigger pull it is a legal semiautomatic firearm. It dosen't matter how fast you pull it. If you allow someone to tell you how fast you can fire it, next they will tell you how many cartridges you can load in it. We've already been down that road.

So Diane Feinstein wants to make bump fire stocks illegal because they can make a semi- auto into a full auto with a firing rate of 400-800 rounds per minute! WOW, math is not her strong suit but prevarication is! Now since I know you can emulate a bump fire stock with your thumb and jeans pocket does this mean all shooters will have the thumb of their dominate hand amputated and no more jeans pockets on the dominate side. Oh shoot (PC version) you can use your waistband. I guess only gumbi (union) suits for outerwear will be sold henceforth? No more slack, shorts, business suits etc with a waistband to hook your thumb on. Bump firing does NOT need a specialized stock and they don't make a weapon into a full auto! It is not the equipment, its the evil nutter!

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Originally posted by jhe888:
Because the gun is moving so much, it isn't accurate or very controllable.

Exactly. For the casual gun owner shooting their rifle at the range, performing bump firing mag dumps does nothing more than turn bullets into smoke and noise. It's wildly inaccurate, with no use other than being an inexpensive way to kinda/sorta approximate the feel and sound of full auto fire for shits and giggles.

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So Diane Feinstein wants to make bump fire stocks illegal because they can make a semi- auto into a full auto with a firing rate of 400-800 rounds per minute!

You don't say?

I think it is GLOCK that makes the FULLY Automatic Bump Stock,,, right?

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Originally posted by smschulz:

I think it is GLOCK that makes the FULLY Automatic Bump Stock,,, right?

Yeah, and it costs more than you make in a month.

Bump firing is a little parlor trick, just a way to waste lots of ammo for nothing. Put a little more wear on that barrel too.

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Originally posted by trebor44:
So Diane Feinstein wants to make bump fire stocks illegal because they can make a semi- auto into a full auto with a firing rate of 400-800 rounds per minute!...

That's only the black Assault Bump Stock.



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Saw a guy hook his thumb on his pants pocket and bump fire.

There are other devices out there besides a bump stock. One fires 4 times with a crank rotation. Then there's the "binary firing system.

But as others have mentioned, their utility is limited and the amount of "wasted ammo" is high. So for other than an occasional "fun" range outing, I personally have no need or desire for one.

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So Diane Feinstein wants to make bump fire stocks illegal because they can make a semi- auto into a full auto with a firing rate of 400-800 rounds per minute!

Must be the bumpfire stock on a belt-fed?

Feinstein wants to make bump stocks illegal because they are used on firearms which in her view should all be illegal.

A guy at work told me that he heard that the shooter made some modifications that made his guns more deadly. Its just a waste of breath to try and educate people. I think that when the average person thinks of a full auto gun they see something like the scene in predator, where the guy fires a mini gun for a solid 10 minutes and mows down every tree in the jungle.

I have known about bump fire stocks since they came out, but never bought one. No thanks. I don’t feel like wasting a bunch of ammo really quick with no accuracy.

Even in a TEOTWAWKI event, I would not want this device. I prefer accuracy over quantity.

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Originally posted by StorminNormin:
Even in a TEOTWAWKI event, I would not want this device. I prefer accuracy over quantity.

For those of us with limited Full Auto experience, this is true in Spades! The several times I fired FA's (Thompson with a 50-rd drum, and a Schmeisser MP-38), I was infinitely more accurate at the same ranges with my Colt Mk 4/Series 70. More targets hit, less money invested.

If I win the Lottery, maybe a Swedish-K, just to say I own one, but definitely not for TEOTWAWKI!