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Are we alone ? Regardless of your answer - should we be signalling into space using directional antennas ? Good article in the NYTimes - notice it mentions HAM radio receivers and the positions of various luminaries in the scientific community. History shows that no good comes to the lesser advanced culture when someone finds them... https://www.nytimes.com/2017/0...nytcore-iphone-share SIG P229 9mm Springfield Armory XD-9 9mm AUT PAX, AUT BELLUM SI VIS PACEM, PARA BELLUM | ||
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Festina Lente |
I vote to not signal our galactic overlords... NRA Life Member - "Fear God and Dreadnaught" | |||
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I believe in the principle of Due Process |
The nearest star is 4.2 light years away. We have only had ham radio for little more than 100 years. Those guys haven't even heard us yet, let alone answered. This assumes they might want to after they hear what we talk about. Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me. When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown | |||
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If they have caught any of our nightly news, it's no wonder they don't want to talk to us. "Hold my beer.....Watch this". | |||
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Member |
we are no where near as alone as most think, but its because we choose it Safety, Situational Awareness and proficiency. Neck Ties, Hats and ammo brass, Never ,ever touch'em w/o asking first | |||
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Peace through superior firepower |
We're alone in the sense that the Universe is so vast, the distances between active civilizations are too great to be traversed, unless we're talking about two different planets in the same solar system (which is unlikely). However, given the number is stars in the Universe, life elsewhere is a mathematical and logical certainty. ____________________________________________________ "I am your retribution." - Donald Trump, speech at CPAC, March 4, 2023 | |||
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eh-TEE-oh-clez |
Couldn't hurt. If you play the odds, with the nearly infinite planets out there and the nearly random way matter is distributed throughout the universe, then it's nearly certain that other life exists. But until we invent faster than light communications, humanity will be long dead by the time our signals reach an intelligent species out there. And unless that species has faster than light travel, we'll be twice long dead before they get here. Look at it this way: there's a chance that there's a single cell organism out there somewhere. By the time our signal reaches them, there's a chance that organism might have had time to evolve into a technologically superior culture. Humanity will have been long dead. And by the time one of their envoys arrive here, their civilization will likely also be long dead. On the timeline of the universe, life is only a brief flash. Not only are we contending with great distances, we're also dealing with a timing issue. It's like trying to hit a fire cracker with a .22lr, at the exact moment a fire cracker pops, across the Atlantic ocean, without knowing the location of the fire cracker or when it's going to pop. No doubt there's life out there. Doesn't mean we are any less alone. | |||
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Peripheral Visionary |
No way we're alone, and I would certainly hope that should that signal be received we are significantly more advanced than we are now by the time any curious/marauding aliens stop by to visit. | |||
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Ducatista |
Para and Stephan Hawking agree, mathematically we are not alone. Para and I agree, the space is so great, we can't traverse the distance to matter. ___________________ "He who is without oil, shall throw the first rod" Compressions 9.5:1 | |||
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The Unmanned Writer |
Read that if the Sun were the size of a tennis ball and located in Dallas, the Earth would be the size of a grain of sand and the nearest sun to us would be in Boston, the next nearest in Moscow. And we gather all our "knowledge" about those stars from a piece of glass which is infinitely small on that grain of sand. All those stars we see at night are pin holes in a curtain, reflections of our ourselves, or other atoms which comprise another being. Life moves pretty fast. If you don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it. "If dogs don't go to Heaven, I want to go where they go" Will Rogers The definition of the words we used, carry a meaning of their own... | |||
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Each post crafted from rich Corinthian leather |
Thank you for the link / post! "The sea was angry that day, my friends - like an old man trying to send back soup in a deli." - George Costanza | |||
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Baroque Bloke |
Light, and radio waves, travel from earth to Alpha Centauri in 4.37 years. Serious about crackers | |||
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Info Guru |
Whenever this topic comes up I always encourage people to read this link: The Fermi Paradox It's a very interesting take on the topic. Oh, and if you like that you should take a look at their 'Putting Time in Perspective' discussion as well. Really cool. Putting Time in Perspective “Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.” - John Adams | |||
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orareyougladtoseeme |
That was a fascinating read, thank you. | |||
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Official Space Nerd |
I believe we are the only sentient life in the u iverse. However, if I am wrong, we should NOT try to contact anybody. Some guy said once in a documentary about SETI that by doing so we would risk "suffering the same fate as any other human 'discovered' race.". . Fear God and Dread Nought Admiral of the Fleet Sir Jacky Fisher | |||
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Muzzle flash aficionado |
I'm willing to believe there MAY be other intelligent life in the Universe, but I don't care about it one way or the other. I don't think there would ever be any FTF between us and them. I also don't worry about being conquered by advanced civilizations for the same reason--we won't ever meet. flashguy Texan by choice, not accident of birth | |||
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Political Cynic |
As an amateur astronomer I spend a lot of time looking up at the stars and the thought always crosses my mind. However I always temper the thought with the fact that with the exception of solar system objects, looking into space is looking back in time. That bright red star Sirius is 8.6 LY away - what you see tonight is what it looked like 8.6 years ago. And that's relatively close (but not the closest star to earth). The Andromeda galaxy is 2.54 MILLION light years away - what we see today is 2.54 million years old. Fortunately its moving on a collision course with us so over the next few years it will be getting closer Space is really big and I find it exceptionally difficult to even consider that we are the sole life form anywhere in the universe. The fact that we haven't been contacted yet is most likely because no one is close enough to have heard us, or even know we are here. [B] Against ALL enemies, foreign and DOMESTIC | |||
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Who else? |
We are going to be a food source. | |||
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Peace through superior firepower |
Thanks for sharing. Now, back to the thread. ____________________________________________________ "I am your retribution." - Donald Trump, speech at CPAC, March 4, 2023 | |||
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Equal Opportunity Mocker |
Disagree partially. Chapter 3 was a craptastic dumpster fire. Otherwise, had some stimulating musings.... ________________________________________________ "You cannot legislate the poor into freedom by legislating the wealthy out of freedom. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving." -Dr. Adrian Rogers | |||
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