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| Little ray of sunshine  |
https://www.wsj.com/articles/f...et-to-begin-d5c7293a There is a paywall here, but the WSJ is a reliable news outfit for me, although you can find stories about this settlement at any media source you care to search. I thought they would settle weeks before trial. I am a little surprised Fox tiptoed right up to that line, and also that they agreed to pay that much. The fish is mute, expressionless. The fish doesn't think because the fish knows everything. | ||
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| Never miss an opportunity to STFU |
I was surprised they caved that easily. All the videos of ballots from under the table and huge unqualified voters didn’t matter. What a joke this election process has become. I must be a conspiracy nut, eh? Never be more than one step away from your sword-Old Greek Wisdom | |||
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| Just because you can, doesn't mean you should |
I think the reason Fox played the brinkmanship game is because of the money Dominion was demanding to settle, and maybe other terms/conditions over making Fox publicly apologize or admit wrongdoing. The reason Dominion could play that game is they had such a strong hand. That's also why in the end, Fox caved in. They had no realistic choice. Large public companies can't take risks like that. ___________________________ Avoid buying ChiCom/CCP products whenever possible. | |||
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| Just because you can, doesn't mean you should |
Videos without context and subject to manipulation and claims without proof, no matter what others may want to believe, are not enough to roll the dice in games worth hundreds of millions. Hillary and her closest followers think to this day that somehow Trump stole that one too. ___________________________ Avoid buying ChiCom/CCP products whenever possible. | |||
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| Little ray of sunshine |
Agreed, but I was still surprised a company like Fox was willing wait that long. Large organizations are not very risk tolerant. Still, and I know this well, if they managed to carve $200 million off the settlement deal by playing that game, the reward was well worth the extra costs to get there. The fish is mute, expressionless. The fish doesn't think because the fish knows everything. | |||
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Irksome Whirling Dervish |
There was zero evidence the machines were flipping votes or tampered with. None whatsoever. If it were true, Fox would have used some of that $787M to retain an expert who could replicate the problem over and over again. They had no one and if they did, that would have addressed the actual malice element requirement of Dominion's suit. Because Fox had nothing in their bag of goodies, all they could do was argue guests and opinions were newsworthy and ask for some artistic latitude in their reporting. The problem for Fox was that internally they knew and said the tampering claims were BS but allowed the stories to go forward. That showed the actual malice element. I believe liability was there but not so sure how Dominion would establish non-speculative damages. Fox is facing another similar suit so expect more settlements. | |||
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Lighten up and laugh |
Bull | |||
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| Little ray of sunshine |
Damages can be tough to prove in such cases, but not impossible, obviously. The fish is mute, expressionless. The fish doesn't think because the fish knows everything. | |||
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| Member |
They are paying around 5% of one year's earnings. Not sure how that fits in their risk-reward brinkmanship. | |||
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Tinker Sailor Soldier Pie |
Yeah, utter horseshit. ~Alan Acta Non Verba NRA Life Member (Patron) God, Family, Guns, Country Men will fight and die to protect women... because women protect everything else. ~Andrew Klavan | |||
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| Member |
@Ackks if the information was out there, Fox would not have just paid hundreds of millions. I know lots of people that know 5 or 6 ways it could have been done. I have not met one person that can prove it was done. If you can, I am listening. That information is still worth millions. | |||
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| Lighten up and laugh |
It's for sale, and I know you'll want to act fast  | |||
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| Irksome Whirling Dervish |
You have some? You have hopes, wishes and dreams but not a single speck of evidence that the machines were flipping votes. If you have the evidence Fox sorely needed your expertise. What you really have is the belief that there is no way that many people could have voted for Mr. Potato without there being some shenanigans. Of all the lawsuits filed by any of the president's supporters, attorneys or anyone else, there wasn't a single piece of evidence that the Dominion machines were massaged into changing votes. Zero. And if it were true in 2020, wouldn't that also have been true in 2022 and oddly enough, there's no evidence that Dominion machines were rigged or interfered with outcomes last November. There has always been ballot mischief in every election but on this issue, Fox pushed a known lie and paid for it. Fox could have saved a ton of money if they just had found you in time, right? | |||
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| Just because you can, doesn't mean you should |
Show us what you got and if what you say is so, you could be worth multi-millions as an expert witness. We'll wait, but not holding my breath. ___________________________ Avoid buying ChiCom/CCP products whenever possible. | |||
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Unflappable Enginerd |
You'd have a much better chance of proving shenanigans by D's regarding ballot harvesting, than proving anything on the Dominion side of this... __________________________________ NRA Benefactor I lost all my weapons in a boating, umm, accident. http://www.aufamily.com/forums/ | |||
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| Lighten up and laugh |
I'm not wasting my time trying to prove anything to the blind or complicit. | |||
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| Tinker Sailor Soldier Pie |
There's a whole lot more to this settlement than what you're so casually implying, and I know you must know that. For starters it stops the at least month long circus that the likes of Brian Stelter and others were almost literally salivating over. Stelter was going to have a show/podcast just covering this trial. Then there is Fox sparing their personalities and most notably Murdoch from having to sit and testify to all manner of things going on at FNC. And probably most importantly--and what the short sighted dickheads at the other news stations are ignoring in their excitement and outright exuberance at seeing FNC get owned--if Fox were to lose, it sets a pretty significant precedence for the fate of press free speech and opens up the possibility to all news organization for all manner of lawsuits and liabilities. So please, stow the simplistic argument that Fox would've definitely taken this to trial otherwise. Many people were praying that Fox would ultimately settle this lawsuit, and it wasn't necessarily due to them not believing there was actual malfeasance on the part of these Dominion voting machines. ~Alan Acta Non Verba NRA Life Member (Patron) God, Family, Guns, Country Men will fight and die to protect women... because women protect everything else. ~Andrew Klavan | |||
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| Thank you Very little  |
Settlements have zero to do with admission of innocence or guilt. | |||
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| Little ray of sunshine |
If you are right and Fox settled this for reasons other than the merits, that doesn't say much about their ethics and reliability as journalists, does it? Usually, journalists are ready to got to the mat if they think they have truth and accuracy on their side. Even if there are a lot of downsides and risk and other considerations. The fish is mute, expressionless. The fish doesn't think because the fish knows everything. | |||
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Mistake Not... |
True, except as part of the settlement here they did, in fact, admit that the Court found wrongdoing by Fox. Here ___________________________________________ Life Member NRA & Washington Arms Collectors Mistake not my current state of joshing gentle peevishness for the awesome and terrible majesty of the towering seas of ire that are themselves the milquetoast shallows fringing my vast oceans of wrath. Velocitas Incursio Vis - Gandhi | |||
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