Now yous can’t leave!!

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Originally posted by ensigmatic:

ANYone can file but does not mean it is valid.

I don't know about Texas, but Michigan currently has a Stand Your Ground law that also prohibits survivors or anybody else from suing anybody who legitimately defended themselves with lethal force if such defense falls under the SYG law.

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per my understanding of a lawyer's explanation:

I believe the law in Michigan gives you a plausible defense in a case of Stand Your Ground cases.
It doesn't prohibit lawsuits.

It is interesting that the comments reference self defense but there is no mention of justification to stop an armed robbery, which Texas law permits. There is no need to prove self defense in an armed robbery, or a variety of other forcible felonies. The more armed robbers shot, the better.

The rest of the video with shots fired.

Sync is off between video and audio but I count 9 shots and what looks like an anchor shot to the head.

https://twitter.com/PhillyCrim.../1611812502249115649

Reason shooter and patrons walked, just a guess, but taqueria+truck+area means illegal day workers who are already south of the border.

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Originally posted by Sigolicious:
and what looks like an anchor shot to the head.

Yeah... With that full video, now I get why dude hasn't come forward (besides the various other possibilities of illegal immigrant/felon/stolen gun/no CHL/etc.). That final seriously delayed finishing shot to the head, after retrieving the guy's dropped weapon, appears to have taken it past self defense.


Reminds me of one from several years ago, where video showed a store owner shooting and dropping one of two guys robbing his store, then chasing the fleeing accomplice out of the store and down the block a bit, before returning to stand over the first downed guy and put another round into him to finish him off. He was charged for that final delayed round, but I don't recall the outcome, or enough details to be able to Google it.

Just saw the full camera clip. I'd say he was OK right up until he picked up the guy's airsoft pistol then plugged him one more time.

Saw this video clip Twitter a minute ago, first thought was Texas, I was right.

Entertaining that shooter gives everyone's wallets and money back and they all leave.

After watching the twitter link, I call bullshit on the media’s “too graphic to show” statement. You see way more “graphic” stuff in prime time network shows. Hell, I think it should be mandatory watching for junior high schools to let today’s wayward yutes know what just might happen should they make poor life choices. Also play that on a loop in the locals jails to remind the common crooks that people have had enough of their shit.


As for the “as he was leaving” statements, bullshit. While he may have been walking in the direction of the door at the time he was capped, he still had the gun out and was waving it around. He had already wandered back and forth multiple times, no way to know if he was going to exit or take a victory lap.


As for the Good Samaritan and other victims be-bopping’ instead of hanging around, they may have had unrelated reasons to wish to avoid interaction with law enforcement. I’m OK with that. This was close to midnight, they would be there for hours likely if they stuck around. I am sure many had jobs to get to in the morning. If the shooter was an illegal alien, at least he can say he contributed to our society during his visit.


Notice the bad guy didn’t even start to go down until the third or fourth shot. First two startled him and he tried to run. Not like TV where a single 9mm round knocks the perp off his feet and three feet backwards.


I can see a slimy prosecutor or lawyer for the perps survivor trying to go after a claim of “excessive” force. Good guy fired 9 rounds and looks like there may have been a delayed “coup d grace” at the end. Given the situation, adrenaline rush, etc. I’m going to be a little more forgiving of such on Joe Citizen then the standard a police officer might be held to.



At the end of the day, the one needing to get shot did and those who didn’t didn’t.

Shot him nine times and killed him a lot.

I understand being adrenalized but even in such an excited state, I just don't see how the shooter could not realize that those first four shots did the trick.

No wonder the police want to speak with this guy. It looks like a street killing.

Don't get me wrong- I don't have the slightest sympathy for the dead asshole. As a matter of fact, I smiled and played it a few times. But this kind of thing doesn't do any good for armed citizens, pumping bullets into a dead body.

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Originally posted by tigereye313:
Just saw the full camera clip. I'd say he was OK right up until he picked up the guy's airsoft pistol then plugged him one more time.

Yeah, the last shot was a little disturbing. Like Para posted, the first volley of shots, four of them, put the guy horizontal, most likely dead.

The shooter certainly looked pissed. Imagine you were in the taqueria with your wife and your two kids. Anything could happen. You get your chance, most likely many of us would shoot until the mag was empty, just to make sure the perp was dead. Adrenaline has a strong effect, inc. tunnel vision. Even police state that they are often not aware that they emptied their mag.

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Originally posted by c1steve:
The shooter certainly looked pissed.

Oh yeah. And I have the funny feeling that this is not the guy's first rodeo. Here's video after shots were fired.

Shots 6, 7, and 8 did not appear necessary or reasonable to me, but I can’t say for sure because I couldn’t see if the perp was still moving with control of the gun. But, I don’t see any way to justify number 9. Not quite as bad as the druggist who came back inside after chasing associates to deliver the kill shot, but still unjustifiable.

Only defense to that last shot would be to prove that he was already dead.

as I see it

bad guy is dead

all good guys are alive

the cops should be so lucky

they should leave everyone alone as they have absolutely nothing to add

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Originally posted by honestlou:
Shots 6, 7, and 8 did not appear necessary or reasonable to me, but I can’t say for sure because I couldn’t see if the perp was still moving with control of the gun. But, I don’t see any way to justify number 9. Not quite as bad as the druggist who came back inside after chasing associates to deliver the kill shot, but still unjustifiable.

Only defense to that last shot would be to prove that he was already dead.

Well he did check the perp prior to that last shot, so I'm gonna defer to his judgement and assume he deemed it necessary...

Looks to me that the first time he could shoot the robber without worrying about someone innocent getting hit, he had a clear shot and used his head.m Wonder how long it took the police to get there?

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Originally posted by HayesGreener:
It is interesting that the comments reference self defense but there is no mention of justification to stop an armed robbery, which Texas law permits. There is no need to prove self defense in an armed robbery, or a variety of other forcible felonies. The more armed robbers shot, the better.

That is right. You can shoot to stop a robbery in Texas. Which is good policy.

Let's say this guy had an AR pistol in his bag and shot the robber thirty times.

Is there no such thing as excessive force in a situation such as the one we're discussing?

How about if he dragged the body into the parking lot and ran over it with his car several times?

Texas allows the use of deadly force in this situation. There is no requirement to limit it to just barely deadly. One shot or nine, all delivered quickly, all seems like deadly force. This doesn't mean you could shoot someone to the ground, stopping the danger, and then check on him and then finish him off.