So, this is the first time in Kentucky Derby history (145 years) that a horse blocked another horse at the end of the race? Yeah, right!!

Jim

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Originally posted by Deqlyn:
Im sure there are rules but it seems BS as the horse who got cut off could have won if it wasnt cut off so accounting for that seems impossible.

Every horse earned its entry into the race, they all have a shot. I can assure you that you're seen races where the fastest horse was stuck in traffic and didn't win. So while it seems out of place to the layperson, it was the right call.

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Originally posted by Jimbo54:
So, this is the first time in Kentucky Derby history (145 years) that a horse blocked another horse at the end of the race? Yeah, right!!

Yeah, so maybe they should review the tape?
Maybe the judges can pick new winners, retroactively, for all 145 years?

Better yet... they should just put out the following statement:

1. All horses are equal.
2. No horse is better than another horse.
3. All horses get a trophy!

Problem solved!

If you can't rub or block - then put the damn horses in lanes like track sprinters.

I had no idea steering was that precise on a horse.

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Originally posted by Graniteguy:
If you can't rub or block - then put the damn horses in lanes like track sprinters.

Rubbing is racing.

Watched the video, didn’t see it live. Guess I don’t see the problem? I saw a muddy track, all horses trying to d9 their best, and did see some rubbing, but might that be due to the conditions of the track? He looked like he was out in front most of the time anyway.

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Originally posted by m1009:
Watched the video, didn’t see it live. Guess I don’t see the problem? I saw a muddy track, all horses trying to d9 their best, and did see some rubbing, but might that be due to the conditions of the track? He looked like he was out in front most of the time anyway.

As I understand it, based on the five drunk experts escaping their wives at the BBQ yesterday, as the pack came around the last turn, the leader, Maximum Security drifted over to the left so far that it ended up affecting the other horses to the right of him. All those horses including the horse who's nose was up MS's ass, was forced to break stride to avoid a catastrophe thus the DQ. I guess in horse racing, you're supposed to keep a tight line if you're in front and not wander all over the track.

What about third place? And fourth? Guess it begs the question, if horse X was affected enough that horse Y placed ahead, shouldn't horse X be given some sort of break too? So the committee should sort of estimate where horse X would have placed if unaffected, all things being equal and all, based on the tapes. And so on. Every.body wins! Except of course, the lead horse. Maybe a consolation prize is in order!

My opinion is that while it happened, it wasn't anything intentionally done by the jockey, but rather the horse took the corner wide in order to keep its footing on a wet sloppy track.

I don't know how, in good conscience, you can penalize for that.

A loss of footing in that goo by the front horse and they all go down. Jockeys get injured or killed and horses get injured and/or put down. I personally think that it's irresponsible to hold the race in those conditions.

Maximum Security’s owner mulling Kentucky Derby appeal and Preakness appearance



LOUISVILLE, Ky. — The next stop in the chase for the Triple Crown is the Preakness, though both Maximum Security and Country House remain noncommittal for the May 18 race following Maximum Security’s disqualification from the Kentucky Derby.

Owner Gary West said Sunday he is unsure whether to enter Maximum Security in the Preakness as he ponders appealing the historic decision.

West also said he realizes the appeals process could extend well beyond the upcoming race at Pimlico in Baltimore. And with Kentucky racing stewards’ ruling Maximum Security interfered with other horses that led to his disqualification, there might not be a point to racing the colt in the Triple Crown series’ middle jewel.

“When you’re not going for the Triple Crown, sometimes it doesn’t make sense to wheel the horse back in two weeks,” West said.

“If there’s going to be an appeal it will almost certainly be before the Preakness, but appeals historically take some time to sort out. Win, lose or draw, we’re not going to know the outcome of that until probably months, if not years, down the road.”

Maximum Security owner blasts Kentucky Derby: They know they messed up

“We wanted to have the stewards explain to us what they saw and show us on their video the pictures of exactly what they saw, and they refused to allow us to do that,” he said.
“That was really pretty bush league, because there is no rule that they can’t show the film to the owner and trainer that got disqualified for the first time in the history of the Kentucky Derby other than they aren’t working [Sunday], or Monday, or Tuesday or Wednesday.”

https://nypost.com/2019/05/06/...reakness-appearance/

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.........a horse blocked another horse at the end of the race?

God, that's been the story of my life.

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Originally posted by radioman:

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.........a horse blocked another horse at the end of the race?

God, that's been the story of my life.

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^^^^^ Me Too Me Too ^^^^^

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Originally posted by chellim1:
Maximum Security’s owner mulling Kentucky Derby appeal and Preakness appearance

Hadn’t heard that. IMO, there would be much less controversy if the decision had been made to let the race stand as finished, rather than DQ Maximum Security. I hate to contemplate a long, drawn out legal process over this horse race, but the Derby undeniably changes lives, and it may be worth the effort.

I saw the video of the full race and the drift right and left was pretty obvious, even to a noob like me. So my question is, was that drift done by the jockey or the horse? Read that some race horses are very aggressive to other horses and jockeys and that they can pull stunts in races.

I can see DQ if done by the jockey but how would we ever know?

I'm only an occasional spectator of horse-racing, so I don't know the answer to this:

Those were the wettest track conditions I've ever seen.

Is it normal for horses to slip or slide out of their track in conditions like those? In watching the race over again, the 7 horse was not the only one doing it.

Seems like they were lucky to remain upright, let alone run in a straight line.

Something to take into consideration is that the Track Stewards did not call the inquiry, that was done by the Jockey on Country House at the urging of the trainer Bill Mott..


It was ultimately unnecessary, because jockeys Jon Court (Long Range Toddy) and Flavien Prat (Country House) claimed foul against Maximum Security. It was surprising that Gaffalione did not. Mott said Sunday morning that it was he who encouraged Prat to claim foul after Jose Ortiz, the jockey on Mott’s other horse, third-place finisher Tacitus, told him that Maximum Security, “has to come down.”

I like the Bob Baffert Quote from SI article...

As Questions and Confusion Linger, This Kentucky Derby Hangover Isn't Close to Over

One dissenting voice on the backstretch was another Hall of Famer trainer, five-time Derby winner Bob Baffert. During the race, Baffert stood in the saddling paddock, where he watched American Pharoah win the 2015 Derby and near the small room where he watched Justify win it a year ago. Baffert suggested that the Derby is just a different race from all others, and that everyday rules should not always apply. “No one ever calls an objection in the Derby,” Baffert told me Sunday afternoon, by text. “It’s always a roughly run race. Twenty-horse field. I have been wiped out numerous times, but that is the Derby. I can see by the book why they did it. But sometimes you’ve got to take your ass-kickings with dignity.”

And this: “One thing that got lost in all of this is Maximum Security is the real deal. He’s the best three-year-old in the country.”

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The sad thing is with the massive purse in races like the Derby, Preakness, Belmont, where every race card that day pays better than a high end stakes race at most courses around the country, does this open up the sport to jockeys in 4th or 5th place from placing foul claims they otherwise wouldn't because it's the difference in no payday or a $100K day, much less a million plus payday.

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