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I don't completely oppose CAF. Hypothetical drug deal. If you catch them red-handed, it would be OK to seize the cash directly involved in the drug deal, to be held as evidence until the case is decided. ETA: until the case is decided, you don't get to keep, let alone spend, the cash. I want, however, due process for both the seizure and its recovery if wrongly (mistakenly or not) seized.This message has been edited. Last edited by: egregore, | |||
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You can just forget about due process. How many times have you heard of seized property being returned to its owner? Such instances are as rare as hens teeth. CAF is law enforcement's shopping mall. All sorts of luxury items, just there for the taking, and anyone who thinks these abuses are not happening and are not widespread is fooling themselves. I'll go further than that- for as long as these laws exist, they will be horribly abused. The only way to stop the abuse of these laws is to revoke them, and in my opinion, that's exactly what should happen. The cops don't want some crook living the high life off of proceeds from criminal enterprise? Well, then, the police shouldn't have abused these laws, should they? Two wrongs don't make a right. ____________________________________________________ "I am your retribution." - Donald Trump, speech at CPAC, March 4, 2023 | |||
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![]() Earth to LEOs: You want to confiscate something? Use legal means, and go through the courts. Suspicion by itself isn't worth the ether it's floating through. | |||
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Isn't that exactly what the police are doing? Profiting off of illegal proceeds? | |||
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wasn't there an entire unit set up by the Kentucky State Police who's sole purpose in life was to look for high value targets, stop them, invent probable cause and seize as much as they could I thought the jig was up when they tried to shake down an off-duty trooper for the cash he had on him get rid of it, if it is that important, build the case first, then seize it or... if you seize it and you're wrong, it costs you your job either way, its the gift that keeps on taking and I think it sucks [B] Against ALL enemies, foreign and DOMESTIC | |||
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Do you have any data to back up your assertions about the percentage of bad cops? Anecdotally, that does not match my experience at all. I have over the course of my life run across maybe one or two cops who could have been nicer in this situation or that, but the overwhelming majority of officers I have had any contact with have been extremely professional. I have many times been amazed by the amount of BS they put up with and continue to respond politely and professionally. If the quality of officers has gone down, it has not been evident in the ones I have met. As far as Asset Forfeiture, it is awfully hard to make a set of rules that both allows the tool to be used in those positive ways described by the officers here and also prevents the abuses splashed around the media. That would seem like the ideal solution. | |||
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Oh stewardess, I speak jive. ![]() |
Kentucky, Tennessee, one of those states had/has a big unit like that. | |||
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There's a a whole lot of Drug dealers cars seized and painted into "DARE" cars in NJ. Classic Cars Beemer, Benz' Decal-ed that this was a seized vehicle and detailing the seizure. However, I have no opinion in the matter... | |||
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