There are roughly the same number of Conservative and Liberal/Progressive citizens in this country. However,the distribution of arms (and the training to use them) is definitely one-sided. If armed conflict between the sides were to occur, the Liberal/Progressive side would be at a decided disadvantage.

flashguy

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Originally posted by flashguy:
There are roughly the same number of Conservative and Liberal/Progressive citizens in this country. However,the distribution of arms (and the training to use them) is definitely one-sided. If armed conflict between the sides were to occur, the Liberal/Progressive side would be at a decided disadvantage.

flashguy

I don’t agree with this. I think there are far less progressives in the nation. If the numbers were in fact equal, they wouldn’t be pushing fraudulent voting as hard as what they do. In many areas, if they are going to win, they have got to “find” that trunk load of ballots ar th e airport to have a chance. They have to have voting machines “malfunction”
To “D” to have a chance.

I also think that you have very few that would stand. Very, very few. Most are #metoo virtue signalers.

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I also think that you have very few that would stand. Very, very few. Most are #metoo virtue signalers.

Yeah, revolution via #hashtags on Twatter is easy.

Step out into the real world, not so much.

The VA Lobby Day is proof of that. No Antifa / Leftists to be seen, aside from the one arrested blocks away from the rally after it had occurred.

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Originally posted by Sunset_Va:
Recently, our weekly local newspaper, located at the county seat, did a "Man on the Street" questionaire with 5 people. 3 men, 2 women, young and old, black, and white.

"Do you approve of Gun Registration?"

Every one of them answered Yes, with most all stating they thought it would help prevent crime. Registration has nothing to do with reducing crime, as we know, but I was just amazed at how clueless those citizens were about the true nature of the gun registration .

They had to interview 15 people to get those 5 though.

And those 5 believe because they only ever see those like them on TV.

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Originally posted by Sunset_Va:
Recently, our weekly local newspaper, located at the county seat, did a "Man on the Street" questionaire with 5 people. 3 men, 2 women, young and old, black, and white.

"Do you approve of Gun Registration?"

Every one of them answered Yes, with most all stating they thought it would help prevent crime. Registration has nothing to do with reducing crime, as we know, but I was just amazed at how clueless those citizens were about the true nature of the gun registration .

They had to interview 15 people to get those 5 though.

And those 5 believe because they only ever see those like them on TV.

My thought as well. There are no non biased media. All of them, big or small, are actively trying to out commie one another.

Even in the big cities, the NG and local LE would have very little compliance with confiscation. Who do they think joins the NG and local LE?

A NG officer and cop was just showing me photos of the Virginia rally yesterday and commenting in solidarity, “they” are “us” and the Libs are in for a shock.

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Originally posted by RHINOWSO:Yeah, revolution via #hashtags on Twatter is easy.

Step out into the real world, not so much.

I suspect most of them picture a situation where this would be conducted in Red America with "their" military and police forces taking on the deplorables. They aren't imagining how terribly life would suck when people and places they care about are under daily attack.

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Originally posted by bobtheelf:

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Originally posted by Sunset_Va:
Recently, our weekly local newspaper, located at the county seat, did a "Man on the Street" questionaire with 5 people. 3 men, 2 women, young and old, black, and white.

"Do you approve of Gun Registration?"

Every one of them answered Yes, with most all stating they thought it would help prevent crime. Registration has nothing to do with reducing crime, as we know, but I was just amazed at how clueless those citizens were about the true nature of the gun registration .

They had to interview 15 people to get those 5 though.

And those 5 believe because they only ever see those like them on TV.

My thought as well. There are no non biased media. All of them, big or small, are actively trying to out commie one another.

The on the street reporter for that feature has caught me in the past with a question.

I don't go to that town as often as I used to, but sure wish they had asked me if I approved of gun registration....

I suspect most of them picture a situation where this would be conducted in Red America with "their" military and police forces taking on the deplorables. They aren't imagining how terribly life would suck when people and places they care about are under daily attack.[/QUOTE]

They would probably try to do what the Chinese did at Tiananmen Square. Transfer out the local troops and import others from a different area.

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Well, then they would need Federal as opposed to much easier to pass State legislation. That ain’t happening in the next 4-5 years meanwhile conservative federal judges keep getting appointed to the courts. They would be hearing the cases when LE and military (en mass) refuse to follow confiscation orders as unlawful.

Btw, due to Posse Comitatus, active duty military cant do domestic LE, only support, so the tip of that spear could only be fed agents or NG only if put on the correct type of orders and probably only with permission by the governor in the state they are operating in, that they can have LE powers.

So really, not happening.

you can count on the FBI and ATF to fuck over the law abiding citizens without blinking an eye

after all, its what they've been doing for the last 20 years so why would they do any differently now? And they seem to be immune from having morals or integrity when it comes to their lying and subversion - yet none of them ever seem to go to prison

I agree about the lack of participation of local LEO and NG though

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you can count on the FBI and ATF to fuck over the law abiding citizens without blinking an eye

after all, its what they've been doing for the last 20 years so why would they do any differently now? And they seem to be immune from having morals or integrity when it comes to their lying and subversion - yet none of them ever seem to go to prison

I agree about the lack of participation of local LEO and NG though

While I agree 100% about the corruption at the top of the Fumbling Bumbling Incompetents, I am not ready to tar all agents with that brush. I’m sure there are some who would “just follow orders”, but I’d think (and hope) that it wouldn’t be all agents.

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While I agree 100% about the corruption at the top of the Fumbling Bumbling Incompetents, I am not ready to tar all agents with that brush. I’m sure there are some who would “just follow orders”, but I’d think (and hope) that it wouldn’t be all agents.

A close relative of mine is an FBI field agent. Having met a fair number of the coworkers, I'm reasonably confident you are correct.

Confiscation will not happen....they don't need to send in anyone to "TAKE OUR GUNS!!!"

They will do exactly like NYS other RED states have done. They will require registration on MSR and when 10% of the owned rifles are registered they effectively have turned thousands into criminals....they will have driven us underground...

They have won to some extent but they forget their history......let me see.... when in our past did a tyrannical government drive freedom loving Americans (in this case pre-Americans) underground...hmmm and what was the outcome....hmmm

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While I agree 100% about the corruption at the top of the Fumbling Bumbling Incompetents, I am not ready to tar all agents with that brush. I’m sure there are some who would “just follow orders”, but I’d think (and hope) that it wouldn’t be all agents.

A close relative of mine is an FBI field agent. Having met a fair number of the coworkers, I'm reasonably confident you are correct.

I'd like to think that you're correct and I wish I was wrong

however, no one yet has ever given me a credible reason why none of the rank and file FBI who are supposed to be on our side have never gone and arrested those FBI who are actively working against us?

is it company policy to look the other way?

I think the protest in VA was very successful and showed the Dems that our side can mobilize, and will translate that into votes comes November.

However, for an armed insurrection/revolution to occur, a bigger catalyst has to be there IMHO. As long as the economy is doing great, the middle classes still form a largely bell curve and are still relatively content with their weekend and holiday activities and general life outlook, any armed revolt (wrt any hot-button issue) will be a flash in the pan or relatively short-lived.

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you can count on the FBI and ATF to fuck over the law abiding citizens without blinking an eye

Bingo. And you can add the State Police to the list. They're a bunch of militarized pricks that are desperate to play operator. Of course, only if it's not on an actual battlefield where the odds aren't overwhelmingly in their favor.

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Originally posted by slosig:
While I agree 100% about the corruption at the top of the Fumbling Bumbling Incompetents, I am not ready to tar all agents with that brush. I’m sure there are some who would “just follow orders”, but I’d think (and hope) that it wouldn’t be all agents.

I guess you're hesitant because of the massive outcry we've seen from agents. Their outrage at their own agency being a major player in the coup has really been something to behold.

Long as the average citizen can get unlimited WIFI and Netflix and Mickey Ds and Walmart cheezy poofs, nobody is going to fight anybody over anything.

I learned a few things from my survey monkey last week.

40% said they planned on attending the rallies NRA/VCDL

12.5% said they attended the rallies.

That is a big difference. It is a solid number. average participation is 2-3% in most years. a jump to 12.5 is a good start.

Some wherein one of the Facebook groups a guy took a land boundary marker app. He lined out the 8 blocks of the rally and the capital square (as fenced). We know via the state police that their 22k number is the capital square. He then used just the square area of the roads and the US park service system for estimating people. The US park Service says 2.5 feet for packed, 3.5 for moderate, and 5.5 for loose.

At 3.5 sqft per person, we had 136k on the roadways around the square.

At 5.5 we had 86k on the roadways.

Add in the 22k, and we are pushing 100-150k At the rally, at the site some point from 8am-12 pm. This does not include the canceled busses, canceled parking, people who could not find parking or those that waited for a shuttle for 2 hours.

so, using my numbers from my survey, which was passed to every state county group I belong to on Facebook (30ish). we end up with a 3.4 ratio to those who go versus say they would go. That is 300k ish that knows, and are now involved in the state lawmaking game. That is pretty impressive. Name another single active portion of voters in the state that has an active knowledgeable block 300k.

All is not lost, no it won't get magically better overnight. It will be a rough road. We have numbers, we should make an actual political rally/march day. Straight down broad.

So, exactly how many BATF and FBI agents are there? I mean, that's good to know info before you can truly wring your hands that they'll come and get your guns.

How many agents are there nationwide?