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| Lawyers, Guns and Money  |
Count me among those who think the father should have called 911 first, when the guy was trying to break into the house. They got there pretty quick. Perhaps this incident didn't need to escalate to lethal force. I'm not saying the guy should have been prosecuted, just that perhaps it didn't need to end this way. "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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A Grateful American |
Remember, these are the pool from whence come your "twelve"... "the meaning of life, is to give life meaning" ✡ Ani Yehudi אני יהודי Le'olam lo shuv לעולם לא שוב! | |||
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| If you see me running try to keep up  |
The worst piece of advice I've read this decade. If anyone believes that I suggest you seriously change your view or get prepared to spend some time locked up. | |||
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Sure, because he had plenty of time to do that.  He had < 30s from the time the dude started roughing up the door to when the shots were fired. If you and your family were on the other side of the door in that situation, you would have really gone for your phone over your gun?________________________________________ -- Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past me I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain. -- | |||
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| Internet Guru |
The father didn't play around, but we don't know how close the guy was to breaching the door. It's a tough call because the boyfriend really gave no indication of his intentions. | |||
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I don't think I would come walking across a guy's lawn just after three shots rang out. The third shot may have been questionable but I wasn't there and don't want to Monday Morning Quarterback. ... stirred anti-clockwise. | |||
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Well…I don’t think the ex-boyfriend was throwing his full body weight at the door to hopefully break in and ask “What chyall havin’ for dinner?” I believe his intentions were crystal clear. And they certainly weren’t good intentions. “Common man” observation… This display is but ONE indicator why he was the EX-boyfriend. Could dad have waited to fire until the door was actually breached? Sure. But I’m not about to MMQB this event. "If you’re a leader, you lead the way. Not just on the easy ones; you take the tough ones too…” – MAJ Richard D. Winters (1918-2011), E Company, 2nd Battalion, 506th Parachute Infantry Regiment, 101st Airborne "Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil... Therefore, as tongues of fire lick up straw and as dry grass sinks down in the flames, so their roots will decay and their flowers blow away like dust; for they have rejected the law of the Lord Almighty and spurned the word of the Holy One of Israel." - Isaiah 5:20,24 | |||
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| Internet Guru |
Certainly possible he had bad intentions and apparently the father reached that same conclusion. I'm simply pointing out that he wasn't making threats, but he also wasn't verbalizing his peaceful intentions. | |||
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Uhhhhhh…you don’t consider someone trying to breach your domain as a threat?? Huh. OK. [shrug] "If you’re a leader, you lead the way. Not just on the easy ones; you take the tough ones too…” – MAJ Richard D. Winters (1918-2011), E Company, 2nd Battalion, 506th Parachute Infantry Regiment, 101st Airborne "Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil... Therefore, as tongues of fire lick up straw and as dry grass sinks down in the flames, so their roots will decay and their flowers blow away like dust; for they have rejected the law of the Lord Almighty and spurned the word of the Holy One of Israel." - Isaiah 5:20,24 | |||
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| Lawyers, Guns and Money |
Of course not. But I would like to think that I'd tell the wife to call. When (if) he actually breached the door, and saw the gun... he might have backed off. If he kept coming, no choice but to fire. However, I do realize that none of us knows when we will actually pull the trigger until we are in that high-pressure situation. "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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| You didn't get penetration even with the elephant gun.  |
Laaaast Christmas I gave you my heart…… The very next day your dad blew me awayyyyyyy ______________________________ DONT TREAD ON ME | |||
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| Internet Guru |
Yes, I consider it a threat. I'm not suggesting the father did anything wrong. | |||
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| A Grateful American |
-The guy breeched the door. -The wife was on the phone with 911 and informed the operator her husband had a gun and he had kicked the door in. -The grand jury voted 8-1 not to prosecute. I would have had no hesitation, once the door was no longer secured, and I had eyes on the door kicker. I am not going to entertain his hands were full with flowers in one, a box of chocolates in the other, and he was using his foot to open the door. You cross my moat and storm my castle, and we are going to have a situation. https://lawandcrime.com/caught...-declined-to-indict/ "the meaning of life, is to give life meaning" ✡ Ani Yehudi אני יהודי Le'olam lo shuv לעולם לא שוב! | |||
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is circumspective |
Dad was right. Ex boyfriend FAFOed. Neighbor is a bitch. "We're all travelers in this world. From the sweet grass to the packing house. Birth 'til death. We travel between the eternities." | |||
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- The intruder was told to leave the premises as his presence was unwanted. - The intruder was warned that the father was armed. - As I understand it, the wife was already on the phone to 911 before shots were fired. If it's true the wife was already talking to 911 then that would account for some of the rapidity with which the police responded. Other variables regarding the quickness of police arrival are unknown to us - example: were they on their usual patrol or was the location they responded from closer than where a unit would normally be? Maybe the time of police response was normal for their area, or maybe not and the stars aligned for them to come as quick as they did. Even so if the father hadn't fired and the intruder finished forcing his way in, there was still a plenty of time for him to injure or kill one or more of the people in the house before the arrival of the police as it was, let alone any additional delay, if no lethal force was used for self-defense. You are right, though, in that this didn't need to escalate to lethal force - if the intruder would have heeded the commands to leave and the warning that there was an armed individual inside the home. Viewing that video, would you have resisted using lethal force to protect your wife and daughter? Do you know the police response time to your residence for each day and time of the week? | |||
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| Just because you can, doesn't mean you should |
The wife did tell the neighbor the police/911 had already been called and were on the way. The dad didn't know if the guy had a gun or knife and probably had some earlier history we aren't aware of. The simple act of breaking the door down shows he wasn't thinking clearly. To wait longer, until he could see him inside and his capabilities, was not a practical and safe approach to the problem. ___________________________ Avoid buying ChiCom/CCP products whenever possible. | |||
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אַרְיֵה |
Always gotta be one imbecile* in the bunch. *When I lived in Spain they were referred to as "subnormal (use Spanish pronunciation, with the accent on the last syllable)." הרחפת שלי מלאה בצלופחים | |||
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I was surprised it was even sent to the grand jury. Maybe that's required for a shooting death in that jurisdiction? ... stirred anti-clockwise. | |||
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| Peace through superior firepower  |
Yeah, the video shows a clear case of self-defense. | |||
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| Lawyers, Guns and Money |
Fair enough. "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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