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Originally posted by radioman:
WTF is "Military-style" anyway?

It has a shoulder thingy that goes up.

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Originally posted by radioman:
WTF is "Military-style" anyway?

"Looks scary."

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Originally posted by radioman:
WTF is "Military-style" anyway?

Identifying characteristics:
- Black
- clips that hold lots of bullets
- can fire thousands of bullets a second
- can fire bullets automatically
- the bullets are high powered
- the bullets can go through a tank
- the thingy on the back can move
- there is a whatchamacallit on the front that makes the gun quiet

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Originally posted by SPWAMike0317:

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Originally posted by radioman:
WTF is "Military-style" anyway?

Identifying characteristics:
- Black
- clips that hold lots of bullets
- can fire thousands of bullets a second
- can fire bullets automatically
- the bullets are high powered
- the bullets can go through a tank
- the thingy on the back can move
- there is a whatchamacallit on the front that makes the gun quiet

you forgot the pistol grip, that makes it super duper more deadly......

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Originally posted by BGULL:

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Originally posted by SPWAMike0317:

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Originally posted by radioman:
WTF is "Military-style" anyway?

Identifying characteristics:
- Black
- clips that hold lots of bullets
- can fire thousands of bullets a second
- can fire bullets automatically
- the bullets are high powered
- the bullets can go through a tank
- the thingy on the back can move
- there is a whatchamacallit on the front that makes the gun quiet

you forgot the pistol grip, that makes it super duper more deadly......

and EXPLODE!

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Originally posted by radioman:
WTF is "Military-style" anyway?

It's a buzzword that, once accepted, will be applied to every gun, especially pistols, and used as an additional avenue of attack.

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Originally posted by Dzozer:
Aren't there plenty of software companies/developers that would love to sell them a product to replace SalesForce? Probably cheaper? I'd bet the new company would throw in a conversion too!
It's not as if Salesforce is a behemoth like bookface...

You must not be keeping up in the world of IT. Salesforce is considered one of the top "cloud" providers in the market. They aren't as big as Amazon or Microsoft, but they rank up there with the top tier:

https://www.zdnet.com/article/...orce-dominates-saas/

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Originally posted by radioman:
WTF is "Military-style" anyway?

Q: What do you need a bayonet for?
A:Hunting

Q:What do you 'hunt' with a bayonet?
A:The enemy.

Sales Force is nothing special and can be easily replaced by 20-25 competitive offerings.

Yeah - they are publicly traded. Who cares. Most companies that use Sales Force only access a fraction of their offerings and overpay for what they actually need.

Good riddance.

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Originally posted by Graniteguy:
Sales Force is nothing special and can be easily replaced by 20-25 competitive offerings.

Yeah - they are publicly traded. Who cares. Most companies that use Sales Force only access a fraction of their offerings and overpay for what they actually need.

Good riddance.

^^^This, very much.

When I was working with it on my last job the vast majority of people making waaaay more money than me just couldn't figure it out. So, it was often up to me to keep their cats wrangled on the goddamned thing.

If Salesforce is that tough for sales people (forgot to mention that was who I was talking about) then it really shouldn't have "sales" in the title. Let alone be full of itself enough to dictate terms to its clients.

SalesForce makes a product that does not provide an original answer to driving profitable volume. At its core, SalesForce is a cumbersome tool designed for bad managers who don’t know what their people are doing.

Probably a good thing for the firearm industry if they don’t use SalesForce’s crappy product.

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Originally posted by R K9 J:
SalesForce makes a product that does not provide an original answer to driving profitable volume. At its core, SalesForce is a cumbersome tool designed for bad managers who don’t know what their people are doing.

Probably a good thing for the firearm industry if they don’t use SalesForce’s crappy product.

SFDC is top tier pricewise. I would think a lot of gun businesses would be more frugal with their funds than to pay what SFDC costs, especially given so many lower cost and good competitors. IIRC, it was $2500 per user per year at my first job that had it, and we had at least 100 users. I used it every minute of every day for about eight years.

In my experience just about no one uses SFDC for what it was intended to be, which is a revenue forecasting tool. When you're paying top dollar and only using it for a CRM, that's a waste. It can do a lot of other things, but then to really maximize it you then have to hire people who are total experts at it and make them SFDC administrators. And that doesn't come cheap. I actually have a good gun buddy who works for SFDC. They pay very well. I know he's putting some of that salary and commission back into the gun biz.

My e-mail to Second Amendment Foundation:
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This article concerned me, and it seems to be an issue that SAF may be interested in pursuing [or maybe already is?].

>>> https://www.sfgate.com/busines...n-fight-13906606.php

It seems to me that a company of this size (dealing in interstate commerce) with clients in virtually if not every state should not be trying to dictate behavior of their clients in violation of the Second Amendment. I cannot imagine that this is not illegal - perhaps it is even un-constitutional.

This company undoubtedly has very deep pockets and a huge legal staff - but I believe this practice is un-American and Salesforce richly deserves a legal challenge.
Please respond to me on this as I am interested to know if SAF is already pursuing or interested in future pursuit of litigation against Salesforce.

If SAF finds this to be a non-issue, I would like to know why. Corporate contracts between Salesforce and their clients are of course understandable, but trampling on the Second Amendment is not an acceptable or legal business practice in my opinion.

The irony of how the libs condemn anyone who discriminate on the basic of "looks" and yet how a firearm "looks" aka ~ style is a basis for a ban.

Salesforce is a private company and as such can decide with whom to do business as long as they are not a protected class (ie race). They are also not operating in a natural monopoly marketplace either and are not subject to regulation as such.

The only avenue that could possible work is either pressure via the press or against their customers. He has tweeted for people to contact him at ceo@salesforce.com, but that was a few years ago. I would wonder if he would give us a list of their customers so we could boycott so we could bring market pressure on his company. Probably not, he only wants to put it to the little guy.

I would like to get some more input on this........ would any SF legal experts care to comment?

I have to think that there is some way to throttle these "CEO activists". I see this case as somewhat parallel to what is going on with Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, and several other companies which are now directed by social manipulation goals rather than practice usual capitalism.

This case may be somewhat different in that the social interference is in conflict with the free market of firearms - this may raise legal questions related to 2A.

I am not an attorney - and I have never stayed at a Howard Johnson's. It seems to me though that it would be worth a shot to bring litigation is there is ANY leg to stand on.

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Originally posted by SPWAMike0317:

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Originally posted by radioman:
WTF is "Military-style" anyway?

Identifying characteristics:
- Black
- clips that hold lots of bullets
- can fire thousands of bullets a second
- can fire bullets automatically
- the bullets are high powered
- the bullets can go through a tank
- the thingy on the back can move
- there is a whatchamacallit on the front that makes the gun quiet

And it is full semi-automatic.



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I believe a military-style rifle must also have a shoulder-thing that goes up.

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Originally posted by radioman:
WTF is "Military-style" anyway?

That's easy. If it's loose, worn out, has no finish left, malfunctions a lot, shoots left and comes with a broken sling, then it's military style.

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Originally posted by HighZonie:
I would like to get some more input on this........ would any SF legal experts care to comment?

I have to think that there is some way to throttle these "CEO activists". I see this case as somewhat parallel to what is going on with Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, and several other companies which are now directed by social manipulation goals rather than practice usual capitalism.

This case may be somewhat different in that the social interference is in conflict with the free market of firearms - this may raise legal questions related to 2A.

I am not an attorney - and I have never stayed at a Howard Johnson's. It seems to me though that it would be worth a shot to bring litigation is there is ANY leg to stand on.

It's a business adjusting its contracts for services it provides. Your constitutional right to keep and bear arms protects you from the government. Salesforce customers can keep using Salesforce subject to whatever terms they negotiate with Salesforce or they can use a different vendor. A block of investors with enough shares could force the issue but that's unlikely to happen as this change in policy is unlikely to impact share price in a meaningful way. Gun owners and firearms aren't a protected class.